The Avalyn Digest Vol.2 Issue #05

The Avalyn Digest

Vol.2 #05

February 19th, 1997


There are 36 messages totalling 823 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. a band called SLIPSTREAM (5) 2. a band called SLIPSTREAM and their website 3. Slowdive music (3) 4. in autumn rain she screams 5. Seefeel, FSA etc (5) 6. your mail (2) 7. Help (2) 8. seefeel/fsa/locust/spirit recommends. . . 9. Seefeel (10) 10. Cocteau Twins/Mark Clifford (2) 11. Stores in Boston..... 12. silvania (2) 13. "dagger" tab --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:21:05 -0500 (EST) From: Moonstar9@aol.com Subject: a band called SLIPSTREAM hi, i know this is a similar question as my last one about space but here goes... i keep reading about Slipstream, this amazing band who are supposed to be tied to spacemen3 and spiritualized and were supposed to be the next best thing...well, my question is, who are they and are they really any good? Jared (again) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:56:48 -0700 From: Mitch Bacigalupi Subject: Re: a band called SLIPSTREAM >hi, > i know this is a similar question as my last one about space but here >goes... >i keep reading about Slipstream, this amazing band who are supposed to be >tied to spacemen3 and spiritualized and were supposed to be the next best >thing...well, my question is, who are they and are they really any good? > Jared (again) Slipstream is great! It's the bass player or the drummer from Spacmen 3. They do a great Kraftwerk cover of 'Computer Love'. I've got one album and a bunch of singles that are way cool. Cheers, -Mitch --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:55:56 -0800 From: Sweet Trip Subject: Re: a band called SLIPSTREAM Moonstar9@aol.com wrote: > i keep reading about Slipstream, this amazing band who are supposed to be > tied to spacemen3 and spiritualized Ex-guitarist from Spiritualized I believe. > ...well, my question is, are they really any good? No. --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:00:10 -0800 From: Sweet Trip Subject: Re: a band called SLIPSTREAM and their website Mitch Bacigalupi wrote: > Slipstream is great! It's the bass player or the drummer from Spacmen 3. > They do a great Kraftwerk cover of 'Computer Love'. I've got one album and > a bunch of singles that are way cool. On second thought, they are not bad, but I was actually dissappointed when I first heard it. It's rather nice, simple, guitar pop, sometimes melodic, sometimes groovy. Buy it if that moves you. I'm also quite sure that the connection is to Spiritualized rather than Spacemen3. Although it is an ex-member of Spiritualized and they are influenced by Spacemen, don't expect another Spiritualized or Spacemen3 (except in "pulsebeat", maybe), their sound is definitely their own. Here is their website. http://www.64slicesamericancheese.com/slip.html --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:00:39 -0500 (EST) From: Whiteduke@aol.com Subject: Slowdive music If anyone needs to know how to play any slowdive/mojave3 songs just tell me and I'll try to get you the correct tab or transcription ---------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:38:33 -0500 (EST) From: Moonstar9@aol.com Subject: Re: Slowdive music hi, how about all of them. or can you just post them all and maybe we can get them put up on the website? Jared ---------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:32:56 -0500 From: avalyn@chesco.com Subject: Re: a band called SLIPSTREAM At 06:21 PM 2/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >hi, > i know this is a similar question as my last one about space but here >goes... >i keep reading about Slipstream, this amazing band who are supposed to be >tied to spacemen3 and spiritualized and were supposed to be the next best >thing...well, my question is, who are they and are they really any good? > Jared (again) Mark Refoy who is mainly from Spiritualized is in Slipstream. They are ok, but nothing special like Spiritualized and Spectrum. bye ryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:51:08 EST From: timethief@juno.com (Luis B. Abcede) Subject: Re: Slowdive music On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 Moonstar9@aol.com writes: >hi, > how about all of them. or can you just post them all and maybe we >can get >them put up on the website? > Jared I second that ... post anything and everything. I've looked through some of the Avalyn archives, but none of the tabs were satisfying. -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:24:13 -0500 (EST) From: romain charles tesler Subject: Re: a band called SLIPSTREAM On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 Moonstar9@aol.com wrote: > hi, > i know this is a similar question as my last one about space but here > goes... > i keep reading about Slipstream, this amazing band who are supposed to be > tied to spacemen3 and spiritualized and were supposed to be the next best > thing...well, my question is, who are they and are they really any good? > Jared (again) I bought slpistream 'first album and it was alright. I don't htink it's worth buying but some songs are pretty cool ---------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:35:05 -0500 (EST) From: Wade A Settle Subject: in autumn rain she screams hey all, I was wondering if someone could tell me what Third Eye Foundation was like, and Loop. I am not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but then new Colfax Abbey is pretty nice, not what I expected at all. Anyone hear about tour dates for them. Pretty cool band that experiements with guitar noises/sounds and develops songs around it, kind of like Spiritulaized in the writing process. Anyways, I found the old Bowery Electric album(blue cover) in a store in Indiana and was pretty disappointed with it, so anyone expecting stuff like the recent music, don't buy it. Alright, gotta go. wade There's nothing much a doughnut can't do-Homer Simpson -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:02:14 -0500 (EST) From: aaj292@agora.ulaval.ca (Christian Morin) Subject: Seefeel, FSA etc Could someone tell me what is the best recordings from Seefeel, Flying Saucer Attack, Locust and Spiritualized. ---------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:27:37 -0600 From: mps2@cec.wustl.edu (Michael Peter Stein) Subject: RE: Seefeel, FSA etc >Could someone tell me what is the best recordings from Seefeel, Flying >Saucer Attack, Locust and Spiritualized. 1) Seefeel - QUIQUE (Too Pure) - excellent debut with lush flowing guitar and dub beats, very much in the MBV "To Here Knows..." vein Seefeel - Starethrough EP (Warp) - the band makes the transition into "intelli-techno"... GREAT! 2) Flying Saucer Attack - FURTHER (Domino) - great compilation to end phase I 3) Locust - TRUTH IS BORN OF ARGUMENTS (R&S) - dark, noisy techno-noir from Seefeel engineer/collaborator Mark Van Hoen 4) Spiritualized - LAZER GUIDED MELODIES Spiritualized - PURE PHASE (both on Dedicated) - these are absolutely MUST HAVE, LGM is more rock, while PP is more in sonic "glides and chimes" ambient vein. I hope this was of some help. -Mike ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:41:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Jose' F. Berroa-Saro" Subject: Re: your mail On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Christian Morin wrote: > Could someone tell me what is the best recordings from Seefeel, Flying > Saucer Attack, Locust and Spiritualized. For Seefeel I would recommend "More Like Space" I would be happy to record it for you. I have other as well...That's if you don't want to spent a fortune like I did. Jose' ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:07:14 -0500 (EST) From: aaj292@agora.ulaval.ca (Christian Morin) Subject: Help Living in Quebec is hell!! How can i get silvania and 3rd eye foundation records? I've check in every music store in the city but i can't even order these records!!! -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:13:37 -0500 (EST) From: butterfly mcqueen Subject: RE: Seefeel, FSA etc >>Could someone tell me what is the best recordings from Seefeel, Flying >>Saucer Attack, Locust and Spiritualized. > >1) Seefeel - QUIQUE (Too Pure) - excellent debut with lush flowing guitar > and dub beats, very much in the MBV "To > Here Knows..." vein > Seefeel - Starethrough EP (Warp) - the band makes the transition into > "intelli-techno"... GREAT! I also love Polyfusia, which compiles two earlier EPs. >2) Flying Saucer Attack - FURTHER (Domino) - great compilation to end phase I You're think of Chorus, not Further. Chorus is definitely my favorite. Further is more like acoustic strumming with guitar drones behind them. The earlier compilation, Distance, is also cool. >4) Spiritualized - LAZER GUIDED MELODIES > Spiritualized - PURE PHASE (both on Dedicated) - these are absolutely > MUST HAVE, LGM is more > rock, while PP is more in > sonic "glides and chimes" > ambient vein. I also love Pure Phase more than Lazer Guided Melodies. The latter seems to be way too Velvet Underground derivative for my taste, even though the Velvets are cool. Two totally different sounds between the two albums. ; ed -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:30:06 -0600 From: Brad Nicholson Subject: RE: Seefeel, FSA etc >>4) Spiritualized - LAZER GUIDED MELODIES >> Spiritualized - PURE PHASE (both on Dedicated) - these are absolutely >> MUST HAVE, LGM is more >> rock, while PP is more in >> sonic "glides and chimes" >> ambient vein. > >I also love Pure Phase more than Lazer Guided Melodies. The latter seems to >be way too Velvet Underground derivative for my taste, even though the >Velvets are cool. Two totally different sounds between the two albums. If you can find a copy of the live album, Fucked Up Inside, get it. It's even better than LGM and PP. -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:36:52 GMT -5 From: WILDER GONZALES AGREDA <932307@cenco.ulima.edu.pe> Subject: RE: Seefeel, FSA etc >Could someone tell me what is the best recordings from Seefeel, Flying >Saucer Attack, Locust and Spiritualized. SEEFEEL: 1. More Like Space ep 2. Quique 3. Succour Try any of them, in fact try anything by them, all their records are excellent. FSA: 1. Distance 2. Further Further specially is amazing. SPIRITUALIZED: 1. Lazer Guided Melodies 2. Pure Phase Both are the highest show of nowadays psychedelia. "Medication" (on PP) is for me the "Heroin" of the 90s You should try to get to their eps specially the Medication and Feel So Sad eps. Regards. Wilder. "Un bosque en la memoria" Silvania -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:33:08 -0500 From: larry@interlog.com (le chat binaire) Subject: Re: Help >Living in Quebec is hell!! How can i get silvania and 3rd eye foundation >records? I've check in every music store in the city but i can't even order >these records!!! Well, Silvania stuff is pretty difficult to get a hold of. A guy named Daniel Sobus at http://grove.ufl.edu/~eleven/, e-mail: eleven@grove.ufl.edu sometimes sells them via mail order. As for 3EF, try something like EAR/Rational , e-mail: ear@xmission.com. -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:13:12 -0500 (EST) From: Srilank@aol.com Subject: seefeel/fsa/locust/spirit recommends. . . > Could someone tell me what is the best recordings from Seefeel, Flying > Saucer Attack, Locust and Spiritualized. entirely subjective forthcoming... Seefeel - I would start with the warm, fuzzy, and looped of _Quique_. FSA - lo-fi, spacey, droney, feedbacky and with an acoustic guitar poking it's head in spots try _further_. Locust - Don't have anything officially by them, but all illegal dubs tell me that _Weathered Well_ is the one to begin with. Spiritualized - ahh. _Lazer Guided Melodies_ for beginners, and then for stage 2 try _pure phase_. and since we're not on the topic of Slowdive again, I'll second everyone else's recommendations of Bowery Electric's _Beat_ again. Hipster drum sampled backup, with shoegazing ala Slowdive guitars with extra effects. Wonderful expanding on BE's _S/T_ IMO. via kranky, who else ? :) jason onnow: gus gus - chocolate ep srilank@aol.com ----------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: Gage Crump Subject: Re: your mail On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Christian Morin wrote: > Could someone tell me what is the best recordings from Seefeel, Flying > Saucer Attack, Locust and Spiritualized. seefeel - quique flying saucer attack - further spiritualized - lazer guided melodies all these albums are incredible! - gage -------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 13:02:00 GMT From: "Samuels, Mark" Subject: Seefeel Talking of Seefeel, did you all know that they've released a new album on Rephlex (Aphex Twin's record company)? It was pretty low key and I only found out about it by chance. It took me a while to find it but I've got it now. To be perfectly honest, it's very disappointing. I can't even remenber the name of it. When I'm next on-line I'll supply some more info. It seems to continue their gradual fall from brilliance. 'More like space' is still the the only record I've ever heard which I see as a real development of the Slowdive sound. 'Climatic phase #3' is unbelievably beautiful. But as time has progressed they've become increasingly techno based and increasingly dull. The new album is farily uneventful I'm afraid. Simple, one chord, one noise changes. It's similar to a lot of stuff off Aphex Twin's 'Collected Ambient Works 2'. But if that's your thing, then you'll probably be happy. Bring back the 'Slowdivesque' chorus of guitars and two minute loops of layered chorus. That's what I say. Cheers, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:24:17 -0500 (EST) From: butterfly mcqueen Subject: Re: Seefeel >Talking of Seefeel, did you all know that they've released a new album on >Rephlex (Aphex Twin's record company)? It was pretty low key and I only >found out about it by chance. It took me a while to find it but I've got it >now. To be perfectly honest, it's very disappointing. I can't even >remenber the name of it. When I'm next on-line I'll supply some more info. It's called Ch-Vox and was recorded at the same time as Succour, which most people have an aversion to also. They (not just *he*, importantly) are, however, recording new stuff to be released this year. ; ed -------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:13:00 -0600 From: mps2@cec.wustl.edu (Michael Peter Stein) Subject: RE: Seefeel on Seefeel's CH-VOX: > The new album is farily uneventful I'm afraid. I don't wanna knock this guy's opinion, but I encourage everyone to check this record out for yourself. It's a deep dark minimal journey. Also keep in mind that this was recorded BEFORE _Succour_, RePHlex shelved the master tapes for 2 years. -Mike ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:39:47 -0800 From: sweet trip Subject: seefeel Succour was definitely on the dark and anti-social side, but no less brilliant. I guess for some it would take some getting used to, and some haven't gotten used to it at all. For those who feel adventurous, definitely check out the latest two records. I don't think anyone has mentioned the seefeel or Mark Clifford mixes of Cocteau Twins songs from their last album. I forget the names, but they were quite nice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 18:01:00 GMT From: "Samuels, Mark" Subject: RE: Seefeel on Seefeel's CH-VOX: >> The new album is farily uneventful I'm afraid. > > I don't wanna knock this guy's opinion, but I encourage everyone to check > this record out for yourself. It's a deep dark minimal journey. Fair enough Mike. Maybe I'm being a bit tight. It just didn't really grab me. I kind of see Seefeel as a lost Slowdive. I expected more than what I'm getting. I agree totally with 'sweet trip' who says: >I don't think anyone has mentioned the seefeel or Mark Clifford mixes of > Cocteau Twins songs from their last album. I forget the names, but they > were quite nice. Too right. More guitars, more layers and more textures. Maybe I'm just too much of a Slowdive-head........ Cheers, Mark ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:41:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Jose' F. Berroa-Saro" Subject: Cocteau Twins/Mark Clifford On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, sweet trip wrote: > I don't think anyone has mentioned the seefeel or Mark Clifford mixes of > Cocteau Twins songs from their last album. I forget the names, but they > were quite nice. Mark Clifford mixed Feet-Like Fins, Seekers Who Are Lovers, Violaine, Cherry-Coloured Funk. In concert he did "Pitch The Baby", "Alosyius", "Wax And Wane" which he has done superb job. -------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 13:41:26 -0800 From: sweet trip Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins/Mark Clifford Jose' F. Berroa-Saro wrote: > Mark Clifford mixed Feet-Like Fins, Seekers Who Are Lovers, Violaine, > Cherry-Coloured Funk. > > In concert he did "Pitch The Baby", "Alosyius", "Wax And Wane" > > which he has done superb job. I thought that was him- sort of hiding over at the right side of the stage. Yes, those versions were amazing! Thanks for the info. -------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:17:25 GMT -5 From: WILDER GONZALES AGREDA <932307@cenco.ulima.edu.pe> Subject: Re: seefeel > I don't think anyone has mentioned the seefeel or Mark Clifford mixes of > Cocteau Twins songs from their last album. I forget the names, but they > were quite nice. Yes specially the last track is really beautiful, the remix Mark Clifford did for Silvania's "Trilce" -now 3lc- is very minimalistic and mindblowing too, you should look for it on the Delay Tambor cd. Regards. Wilder. ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:32:58 GMT -5 From: WILDER GONZALES AGREDA <932307@cenco.ulima.edu.pe> Subject: Stores in Boston..... Hello... A friend will be on Boston for 2 weeks so can you please tell me what great stores on that place he must visit? Regards. Wilder ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:11:12 GMT -5 From: WILDER GONZALES AGREDA <932307@cenco.ulima.edu.pe> Subject: Re: Seefeel > >Talking of Seefeel, did you all know that they've released a new album on > >Rephlex (Aphex Twin's record company)? It was pretty low key and I only > >found out about it by chance. It took me a while to find it but I've got it > >now. To be perfectly honest, it's very disappointing. I can't even > >remenber the name of it. When I'm next on-line I'll supply some more info. > > It's called Ch-Vox and was recorded at the same time as Succour, which most > people have an aversion to also. They (not just *he*, importantly) are, > however, recording new stuff to be released this year. Umm.. I was sure that Ch-Vox was recorded after they left Too Pure and before they arrive on Warp, so the evolution is: Quique..Ch-Vox..Succour.. I haven't heard Ch-Vox but since I love Quique and specially Succour -this one is really a real gem, totally out of the material world, totally hipnotic, it's extremely great!!- I supposs Ch-Vox must be another great record. Regards. Wilder. ------------------------------- Date: 15 Feb 1997 23:51:52 PST From: avalyn@wgserv.baudtown.com Subject: silvania paisaje 3 is awesome. i haven't heard all of delay tambor yet, but i was disappointed with the remix of arcangel. are all the remixes of songs off en cielo de oceano? i could only figure out trilce, oval and arcangel (3lc, Ov, ArAng, respectively) thanks. stella ------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 03:24:46 -0500 (EST) From: butterfly mcqueen Subject: Re: silvania >i haven't heard all of delay tambor yet, but i was disappointed with the >remix of arcangel. are all the remixes of songs off en cielo de oceano? >i could only figure out trilce, oval and arcangel (3lc, Ov, ArAng, >respectively) thanks. "1Belm" is "Un Bosque en la Memoria" (my favorite off En Cielo de Oceano). Maybe "Ry" is "Aura y Tu?" I haven't listened enough yet, but Delay Tambor isn't doing much for me. Paisaje III, however, rocks my world. The first tracks picks up from where Seefeel's _Quique_ left off. ; ed -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 10:44:07 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Baker Subject: Re: Seefeel hey there, with all this talk about seefeel, i thought i would throw in my two cents.... i was under the impression that seefeel split up... anything new under the moniker is simply Mark Clifford on his own... the remaining band members formed a new outfit away from the apparently egotistical Clifford called SCALA.... scala has all the members of seefeel (except clifford) plus Mark Van Hoen, the engineer of most of the seefeel releases (most especially QUIQUE).... their debut release is called BEAUTY NOWHERE on touch records.. it has all of the brilliant ambient melodies of seefeel, with a new interpretation of the whole dark-dub vibe of older outfits like massive attack and tricky.... it is far less "radio-friendly" than those two artists though.... scala like to drone as much as seefeel.... all of this information is based on hunches, and stuff the guy at the record store told me when i bought the album.... if anyone has factual information about scala, send it to me OR the list... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 12:09:11 -0500 (EST) From: butterfly mcqueen Subject: Re: Seefeel > i was under the impression that seefeel split up... anything new >under the moniker is simply Mark Clifford on his own... That was the case for the later period Seefeel, which Mark then channeled into Disjecta, but now the band has gotten back together and are recording something for release soon. >the remaining band >members formed a new outfit away from the apparently egotistical Clifford >called SCALA.... > > it has all of the brilliant ambient melodies of seefeel, with a >new interpretation of the whole dark-dub vibe of older outfits like >massive attack and tricky.... it is far less "radio-friendly" than those >two artists though.... scala like to drone as much as seefeel.... I have their demo tape _Touch TO:29_, and to tell the truth, it kind of bores me. It's got nice sounds and sarah's beeyooootiful voice, but the songs just don't do it for me. Does anybody know if _Beauty Nowhere_ is better than the previously mentioned demo? Otherwise, I can't wait to hear the *real* new Seefeel.... ; ed --------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:48:50 -0500 (EST) From: grilledcheese Subject: Re: Seefeel On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Michael Baker wrote: > i was under the impression that seefeel split up... anything new > under the moniker is simply Mark Clifford on his own... the remaining band > members formed a new outfit away from the apparently egotistical Clifford > called SCALA.... > scala has all the members of seefeel (except clifford) plus Mark > Van Hoen, the engineer of most of the seefeel releases (most especially > QUIQUE).... their debut release is called BEAUTY NOWHERE on touch > records.. actually, the songs on beauty nowhere were recorded over a period of almost 2 years, between like '93 and '95 (or something close to that). thats around the time of succor i believe. it was a side project... probably an outlet for what the rest of seefeel (minus clifford) wanted to do. (thats just me speculating.) its good by the way, diverse, dark and very "concentrated"..err focused maybe. seefeel didn't split, and have a new one in the works, or so i hear. scala is suposedly working on something new too. im interested to see how a proper scala album would sound, but i dunno, part of the charm of b. nowhere comes from how all the songs were recorded months, or even years apart, some at studios, some at home, and some on 4-tracks. if you have the album, look at the song listing on the sleeve, every song says where and when it was recorded. mike ----------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 07:58:13 -0500 (EST) From: butterfly mcqueen Subject: "dagger" tab In an attempt to start off what I hope will be a series of Slowdive tabs on this list, here's my take on "Dagger." Yeah, I know it's a simple song, but I'm a simple guitarist. (Btw, I'm doing this during a study break at five in the morning! Writing a paper on the role of habituation in formation of character in Aristotle's _Nicomachean Ethics_. Yuck. I don't like Aristotle one bit.) Anyway, here we go: --------------------- Slowdive: "Dagger" from _Souvlaki_ (1994) --------------------- 1. If you want to play along with the recording, tune the guitar a half step down (yes, all of the strings). 2. Don't play the high E string at all during the song (deaden it with the skin on your palm or something; be creative). Of course, it kind of helps if you have a second B-string on the guitar in place of the E-string like I do. :) (That's how I'm going to notate it.) DISCLAIMERS: I'm not even going to pretend to know the real names of the chords! (EMaj7Dim4 my ass!) For melancholic use only! I II III C Am Em Am F G B -0---0-- -0- -0---0---0 B -0---0-- -0- -0---0---0 G -0---2-- -0- -2---2---0 D -2---2-- -2- -2---3---0 A -3---0-- -x- -0-- 0---x E -x---x-- -x- -x---x---3 I. Verse II. Transition (not sure about this chord) III. Chorus End on a C. The arrangement is pretty easy, so I won't bother with that. Any comments? Someone do "Machine Gun!" :) ; ed ---------------------------------- End of The Avalyn Digest #2.05 ******************************
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