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Today's Topics: sxsw. excerpt. Re: Sixteen DeSucks Re: sxsw. excerpt. Re: Mojave 3 @ SXSW - a brief review mojave 3 mojave 3 eps and the rest of my story Re: mojave 3 Re: Mojave 3 @ SXSW - a brief review Re: Sixteen DeSucks Anakin special request to anyone who went to SXSW Re: Sixteen DeSucks Austin sucks In Mind (non-remix) & Moussaka Chaos MP3s are up austin Re: austin Re: Anakin Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the Avalyn Digest mailing list: * send e-mail to: email@example.com * with the Subject: unsubscribe To post to the Avalyn mailing list: * use the address: firstname.lastname@example.org Digest back issues can be found through FTP and HTTP: ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/avalyn/ http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html () Please take care not to include the entire digest in your () reply, only the message(s) you are replying to. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:06:05 -0600 (CST) From: son of dodge dart
Subject: sxsw. excerpt. i really don't feel like writing much more; this is an excerpt from a bigass review i wrote earlier today of all of what i saw during the festival (if you aren't on droneon or mbv i can mail it to you if you're interested for some reason. :) ) i had fun at this show but as is mentioned below...after bardo pond mojave 3 was nice but it just wasn't on the same level. and yeah, the whole sxsw scenester bit sucks unless you know how or/and are willing to work it, then you can meet neat people and have a lot of fun while minimizing the bullshit. i didn't *actively* try to schmooze and all that and still ended up meeting some cool people and coming home with free shit. not to mention free beer :) and enough in my system last night to ask neil pretty much point-blank why they changed their sound (while trying not to drool.) oops. :) he did mention that they came for sxsw looking for a licensing deal and that a couple of ppl were in the audience for that - i hope they found one, there's been some real success stories this year in terms of that. and i'll 'metoo' and say that most of the austin bliss whatever scene sucks (what a great word today.) those 16D/chronicle stories were fucking hilarious. - saturday night - after bardo pond the night before...well, saturday was disappointing. mojave 3 were tight and they played their country-fried melancholia well, but i couldn't get all that into it given they used to be SLOWDIVE hello. a friend (hellooo) was going to feed me dollars to yell out slowdive song titles at them but i couldn't find him at the time. i must say, though, neil and rachel are absolutely beautiful :) and it was a joy to see both of them getting so involved in their music on stage, even if it's not, you know, slowdive anymore. then his name is alive came on and am i glad i did not pay for it because they butchered the songs i recognized ('is this the way the tigers do' or whatever, and another(?) song from _home is in your head._) the crowd was into it for some strange reason ;) but after three songs we decided to go outside and leave them to their mediocre butchering. the two singers had good vox, but that could not overcome the...bleh. i felt like i was watching some crappy austin blues/soul/funk/whatever band, not the hnia that's thoroughly fucked with my head at home. *shrug* high llamas came on after that (after taking forever to set up), and they were nice and easy shampoo listening and very, very tight as a band, but, well...banjo. hippie crack banjo doesn't really do it for me. -- btw, i'm not trying to be negative in the above, i *was* grooving to mojave for the most part. though i stand by my trashing of hnia. :) joanna email@example.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:21:19 -0600 From: erik Subject: Re: Sixteen DeSucks That is full of shit. I understand that you are entitled to your opinion, but I have known Sixteen Deluxe for four years and I can not think of a better band full of sincere, hard-working, and friendly people that could make it in the big time. Comments like yours are unfair and unsound. Whatever Sixteen Deluxe does will always have some value to me (whether it's country, noise, or bubblegum) because they are a true example of what a band should be. If you want to be shallow enough just to say that they are blatantly ripping off the Flaming Lips and classic rock, then so be it. Nothing is one hundred percent original except for the feeling. > John Roseborough wrote: >> Really, it's gotten better in the past few years. With bands like 7% >> Solution, Furry Things, Sixteen Deluxe, Kitty, etc.. this town is >> starting to have a nice "blissful noise" scene and a crowd that >> appreciates it. > > > > Uhm, no, see, Kitty never plays anymore, and as for 16 De-Sux, well, > they're definitely part of the problem. > > To quote from the "Austin Chronicle Short Story Rejects" page, which > everyone should visit at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/9226/ > from "Moszilla": > > A group of cookie-cut scruffy twenty-somethings > lean into their microphones, "Hi, we're the band > Sixteen Deluxe! We're the most innovative band in > the galaxy. Especially if you've never heard of the > Rolling Stones, Sonic Youth, The Flaming Lips, My > Bloody Valentine, or any of the other dozens of > bands we directly rip-off. Heck, let's just say if > you've never heard of music at all, we might > interest you. We epitomize the kind of cool > subversive vibe so important to Austown > Austin-cool." > > > "Sixteen The Sucks" > > Sixteen The Sucks > > Once upon a time, there was a band called Sixteen > Deluxe. They were the darlings of the Austin > Chronicle, a death wish by anyone's standards. They > made uninventive, glorified heavy-metal disguised > as "noise rock" and the citizens of Austin bought > it up, but they were the only ones. They were > signed to a major-label, but wasted all the money > they were advanced on cocaine and booze. Soon after > their much-anticipated debut, they were laughed > into hiding by everyone owning copies of "Loveless" > and "Hit to Death in the Future Head." Their first > single may have been a buzz clip, but no one can > remember for sure. In the end, they all died > penniless and humiliated. > > > Haaaaahahahahahaha.... > >> 1. To Whom Should I Write >> 2. Caught Beneath Your Heel >> 3. All Your Tears >> 4. Who Do You Love >> 5. It's Your Feet You Don't* >> 6. Some Kinda Angel >> 7. Give What You Take >> 8. Baby's Comin Home > > EIGHT? I guess they all just sort of blended together... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:21:17 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: sxsw. excerpt. > after bardo pond mojave 3 was nice but it just wasn't on the same level. Umm, if no one has anyhing against it - I'd like to read what you wrote about the Bardo Pond gig? I bet it was mindblasting (as I couldn't be there to see it, I mean... :-( ) //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:29:46 -0600 (CST) From: son of dodge dart Subject: Re: Mojave 3 @ SXSW - a brief review > One fan shouted for "Mercy", but considering the time constraints, I can't > blame Mojave for limiting the set to new stuff only. hee...that was me...fave song on 'ask me tomorrow' and i woulda died if they'd played it. but rachel just gave me a funny look. :) j firstname.lastname@example.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:36:07 -0600 From: erik Subject: mojave 3 I was probably the only one at this entire show that was under 21. They were very strict about not letting non-drinkers in(so they could charge three dollars for a Pearl). I showed up about two hours early and just walked in the front door, delighted to hear mojave doing their sound check, so I got a little preview of the new songs before anybody else could. I also escaped the fifteen dollar cover charge at the door. The show was short, but sweet. Some people could not understand that there were actually people there that were interested in hearing the music instead of their stupid conversations. But what better band to deliver you away from a bad place than mojave 3? Here is my interpretation of their new music. If "Ask Me Tomorrow" is the album to listen to to get through a sad, rainy day thinking about the girl you lost, their new material is the album to listen to when the sun shines through the window and warms your face, giving a you a ray of hope. They are definently songs of hope instead of songs of sadness. I can hear a lot of Simon and Garfunkel and maybe Bob Dylan as well. All in all, I think they have evolved nicely from the Slowdive/Avalyn days. Can't wait for the new album. erik ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:40:07 EST From: Catchbreez Subject: mojave 3 eps and the rest of my story well i first would like to say i paid zero to get in and didnt have a wrist band since i was 20 and my friends were aswell the entire mojave 3 gang (well mostly ian and simon) made sure we got in well the show was great i did send you the set list earlier but if you didnt catch her goes set list (ian gave it to me) (send a scan later) to whom should i write caught beneath all your tears who do you love some kinda angel give what you take (pedal steel) baby's coming home (pedal steel) the sound the same but with a little bit more neil young and nick drake in them *neil has been listening to nick drake* rachel is married which i didnt know some guy yelled "i love you rachel" and she said "so does my husband" the crowd was laughing in the begining of the set neil said that tonite would all be new songs and it was kinda quiet for a few seconds so i yelled "hey that's fine by me" there were several bootlegers with video cameras from home (losers) and some guy doing an internet broadcast as for the gang i met them all alan (dressed and looked like he was in Phish) ian (had a backpack and eagles football tshirt he got that day at a thrift store) abd wrangler jeans his hair was bit shaggier neil (buttom up t shirt (like the one ian has on in the cd) and cords with his neil young kurt cobain hair rachel at first had a sweat shirt on then took it off and had on an angelic skirt with a black shirt with sneakers simon blue cords and t shirt with race car jaket with shaved head everyone of them had on vans or converse or addais type shoes and of course the pedal steel guy a cowboy outift with a kiss army tshirt he was so fucking good the guys told me that they sent him the tape a few days before and he played the pedal steel with them for the first time at sound check (which i privaliged enough to see) he was great anyhoo the ep has no date the said they are hoping for two eps for this album and i assume bsides ian got my address and is going to send me some stuff he said ian was my fav that night it was my first time seeing them and i was great they were all nice and down to earth well cha cha ciao steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:02:54 EST From: Catchbreez Subject: Re: mojave 3 i did the same thing only mojave 3 new and help us out ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:06:24 EST From: Catchbreez Subject: Re: Mojave 3 @ SXSW - a brief review she didnt give you a funny look the only person she gave a funny look to was this chick dancing in circles i love the strings version of mojave 3 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:07:09 EST From: Catchbreez Subject: Re: Sixteen DeSucks yes sixteen deluxe are great i met them at emos in houston great guys ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:18:04 -0000 From: "Ricardo Fiel" Subject: Anakin I just bought the Anakin compilation, and i must say it's really amazing. If you can, go out and get it. Mojave 3's 'To Whom Should I Write' is wonderfull, reminding a lot Bob Dylan. Although, Rachel doesn't sing during the whole song. If this is the direction they are going for the new album, i suppose it's going to be brilliant. Bye, Dj Ricky. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:29:11 -0600 From: email@example.com (Luis B. Abcede) Subject: special request to anyone who went to SXSW I went ... great gig except for HNIA. Sure, they gave a good performance, but I was really hoping to hear some stuff from Stars on E.S.P. Oh well ... Did anybody take pictures? Hell, if there's anyone that videotaped the show, I'd be interested too. I've got stuff to trade ... email me if interested. Luis firstname.lastname@example.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:39:13 -0600 (CST) From: John Roseborough Subject: Re: Sixteen DeSucks On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Agent Cooper wrote: > John Roseborough wrote: > > Really, it's > > gotten better in the past few years. With bands like 7% Solution, Furry > > Things, Sixteen Deluxe, Kitty, etc.. this town is starting to have a nice > > "blissful noise" scene and a crowd that appreciates it. > > > > Uhm, no, see, Kitty never plays anymore, and as for 16 De-Sux, well, they're > definitely part of the problem. FYI, Kitty just opened for Bedhead on Valentine's Day, and headlined a show a little over a month ago, with OMD 20/20 opening. I'd hardly call that "not playing anymore". BTW, what "problem" are you referring to? That the scene in Austin, [sic] "sux"? I think Austin has a great number of new bands that can be called part of a bliss/drone/noise scene. You don't like Sixteen Deluxe, that's fine with me. My point was that there IS a growing scene here, and I just didn't want folks to have the impression that Austin is entirely the bluesy hippie town you say it is. I think it's this kind of stereotype that keeps cool bands from playing here! For example, Portishead skipped Texas entirely on their first tour because they didn't think they'd sell enough tickets. Their Austin show next Wednesday is sold out! Austin is finally getting past the blues rock stereotype with events like SXSW that bring bands and DJs here that normally wouldn't come to Texas (ie. Bardo Pond, To Rococo Rot, Kila, Arab Strap, Josh Wink, etc..). A couple of other local bands that are part of the "insert accurate name for noise/drone/bliss/whatever" scene include American Analog Set (heard of them?) and The Swells (obviously influenced by slowdive). We wouldn't have a record store like 33 Degrees in business if it weren't for people who appreciate these new local bands to buy their stuff. Don't believe that Austin is a wasteland of Stevie Ray Vaughn wannabees.. that's just not true. John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:42:38 -0600 From: Agent Cooper Subject: Austin sucks John Roseborough wrote: > BTW, what "problem" are you referring to? That the scene in Austin, [sic] > "sux"? I think Austin has a great number of new bands that can be called > part of a bliss/drone/noise scene. Maybe - I guess it just depends on your standards. If you enjoy having your ears nagged by 16 "deluxe", then good for you. I'm sure being able to survive, and even appreciate, what could only be described as torture must be a good attribute to possess in a world full of crap-art. You put 7% in the "bliss/drone/noise scene"? More like "psychedelic space-rock" or some such. > I just didn't want folks to have the > impression that Austin is entirely the bluesy hippie town you say it is. Oh, but it is. A bunch of old farts drinking Shiner and bellowing, "Remember the Armadillo!" > Austin is finally getting past the blues rock > stereotype with events like SXSW that bring bands and DJs here that > normally wouldn't come to Texas (ie. Bardo Pond, To Rococo Rot, Kila, > Arab Strap, Josh Wink, etc..). They come to sell their wares to the industry pimps, not to perform for appreciative Austinites. And Josh Wink... wow, I had totally forgotten about that *TALENTLESS HACK*. He's not even smart enough to rip-off GOOD musicians the way 16 "deluxe" does. I'd happily go to jail for killing Josh Wink. > A couple of other local bands that are part of the "insert accurate > name for noise/drone/bliss/whatever" scene include American Analog Set > (heard of them?) Ah yes, how could I possibly overlook the next Chronicle hype machine? They get my vote for "overrated band of the year". Crap. > We wouldn't have a record store like 33 Degrees in business if it > weren't for people who appreciate these new local bands to buy their > stuff. Tell you what, I'll ask Dan what percentage of their sales are from AUSTIN bands. I'm sure you'll be surprised. Go watch your Austin Stories tape - maybe that'll wisen you up a bit. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:46:42 -0600 From: Agent Cooper Subject: In Mind (non-remix) & Moussaka Chaos MP3s are up In Mind (non-remix) http://www.flash.net/~agentc/slowdive.html Moussaka Chaos http://www.fringeware.com/anathema/cooper/slowdive.html Both will probably be up for 2 weeks to make sure everyone gets them. After these will come the remixes of In Mind. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:08:01 -0600 (CST) From: son of dodge dart Subject: austin ok both of yall made good points...i'd like to plead the moderate route and i hope yall don't get in a tiff about the whole thing...imo austin has its old guard and new guard, the old guard is boring, the new guard is boring and overrated (...trail of the dead, the late american analog set, 16D, furry things (doh))...the new guard is becoming such because they're making their own way, if you don't like it, try to change it. i think there's a lot of unsung talent in certain genres here, we just need more people to get into it and places to play. *shrug* and shit, i think enough ppl know about austin by now, it's just that for some reason bands like to skip texas on tours. does size matter? ;) email@example.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:19:12 -0500 From: Andy McMillan Subject: Re: austin son of dodge dart wrote: > *SNIP* the late american analog set Do you mean to say that they have split up? or am I taking this too literally? Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:12:04 -0500 (EST) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: Anakin > I just bought the Anakin compilation, and i must say it's really amazing. > If you can, go out and get it. I have one of these for sale which many people expressed interest in, and I put it on hold for someone and they never picked it up, so if anyone wants it, please e-mail me (privately, of course)... Daniel ------------------------------ End of Avalyn Digest Vol.98 #40 ********************************
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