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Today's Topics:
	 Re: VW ... commercials ... miscellany
	 Re: VW ... commercials ... miscellany
	 Re: Hello
	 Monaural
	 A cry for help......
	 Re: Halou
	 Re: Halou
	 Re: Hello
	 RE: verve/araki
	 Re: Main
	 Re: verve/araki
	 Re: verve/nike
	 Re: verve/nike
	 Re: Halou
	 adverts
	 Re: verve/araki
	 Re: verve/nike
	 Re: Stars of the Lid, E.A.R.
	 change in sounds

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:58:43 -0800
From: "Tim Warner" 
Subject: Re: VW ... commercials ... miscellany

> From what I've heard, the Pale Saints are no more.

Bummed,
Tim

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:53:17 PST
From: "Andy Kellman" 
Subject: Re: VW ... commercials ... miscellany

> speaking of the Pale Saints... Has anyone heard of a new release? Or 
> Spoonfed hybrid?

It's my belief that Pale Saints have broken up.  I think it was a timely 
decision;  in my opinion, they went downhill after Ian Masters left big 
time.

As for Spoonfed Hybrid, I'm not sure.

Pale Saints on The Real World?  Hah!  You think that's bizarre-  I once 
stumbled upon a made for TV movie that used Catherine Wheel.  Spooked 
the hell out of me.  I was half asleep and heard "I'm on my way 
dowowowown" during some party sequence.  Weird!

-Andy

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:55:07 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: Hello

At 08:43 PM 1/28/98 -0800, you wrote:
> Also, someone listed the releases from Darla's "Bliss Out" series.  
> Assuming you (the person who posted) have them all, which ones do you 
> suggest?  I do the buying for a record shop and have them in the bins 
> but have yet to check them out.  Plus, I'm always short on money as I've 
> always got hundreds of records to buy.

Windy & Carl's "Antarctica"

> Lastly-  has anyone heard of Monaural?  I don't think they're around 
> anymore, but they were a Michigan band that put out a really great 12".  
> They sounded a bit like Bark Psychosis, Verve, and Slowdive fused 
> together with their own bits.

I had forgotten all about Monaurul.  That was a damn good 12".  Anyone know
if they are still around?

brad

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:21:30 PST
From: "Andy Kellman" 
Subject: Monaural

Brad/those who care,

I'm not sure if they still exist.  One of their guitar players visits my 
work now and then, and as of August or so, he had left the band.  
Artistic differences, I believe.  Last I knew he said that they were 
continuing without them, but I haven't seen that name pop up in a while.  
I'm not much of a scenester, though.

They're also on a vinyl only UK compilation called Bedroom Ambience.  
Roy Montgomery and a few other notables are on there as well.  The 
Monaural track is pretty great.

-Andy

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:50:52 -0500
From: jvanslem 
Subject: A cry for help......

Dear friends,

    Ok, Here's the deal. I have absolutely no Slowdive bootlegs. As far
as official releases I have only the bare essentials. Would some kind
soul be willing to make me a copy of their bootlegs? Or better yet, if
they're audio bootlegs on CD, let me borrow, yes, borrow it, so I can
burn it onto CD. For real.

Thanks (ahead of time)

Justin

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:46:39 -0800
From: voltron 
Subject: Re: Halou

BTW you can see their website at http://www.imagesmith.com/halou

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:45:08 -0800
From: voltron 
Subject: Re: Halou

Primarygrl wrote:
 
> In a message dated 98-01-28 03:02:23 EST, you write:
> 
> << Also along the lines of gusgus I'd have to mention Halou, a husband and
>  wife duo from San Francisco.  Distorted beats and ethereal vocals and
>  sounds reminiscent of Cocteau Twins but with a darker/harsher edge. >>
> 
> Is Halou's stuff available?  And, if so, what format and where?  I go to San
> Francisco, as I live a couple hours away, quite often.  I have never heard of
> this band.  Do they play shows there at all?

They haven't released anything yet as Halou, but their other band,
Anymore has a CD out. Same singer and songwriter/programmer.  Anymore is
more of a traditional band, bass, guitar, drums, vocals, and remind me
of curve/cocteau twins.    I think you can find the CD at Streetlight
Records in SF.  They started a monthly event called the Glad Hand which
features live electronic bands, and they will be playing at the February
Glad Hand on the 10th at the Justice League in San Francisco.  I'm sure
if you go to the show and ask them, they can hook you up with some
material.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:13:54 EST
From: Primarygrl 
Subject: Re: Hello

In a message dated 98-01-28 23:57:16 EST, you write:

<< Lastly-  has anyone heard of Monaural?  I don't think they're around 
 anymore, but they were a Michigan band that put out a really great 12".  
 They sounded a bit like Bark Psychosis, Verve, and Slowdive fused 
 together with their own bits. >>

Yes, i have their 12".  Welcome to the list.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:20:12 -0600
From: travis salisbury 
Subject: RE: verve/araki

>>
 as for 'Doom Generation'....there was only one song by Slowdive, and it is
 "Blue Skied An' Clear", which is off of Pygmallion.  One of my favorite
 Slowdive songs... 
<<

Actually, "Alison" is played in the movie with "Blue Skied an' Clear",
But the latter is the only one on the soundtrack.

Travis 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:20:46 -0800
From: Daniel Lee 
Subject: Re: Main

avalyn1 wrote:
> 
> I've heard some stuff by Main and thought it ultra dull. One 20 minute 
> song that droned on and on and on....
> I didn't know he sang on any of his stuff. I'll have to check it out.
> Although, not ambient, Robert Hampson (the guy from Main) used tohead 
> a group called Loop (which was quite excellent I might add) and their 
> last cd has some pseudo ambient stuff on it.

I happened to pick up Main's Firmament II, and was wondering what's up
with this release? Is this how Main's stuff generally sounds or is there
a concept they/he? were trying to work with on this particular album?  

I have to admit, even though on my first hearing, it was quite dull (as
mentioned above, "... 20 minute song droning on and on"), I eventually
likened to it just a bit, because it's like listening to random noise
(not many sounds).  However, I don't recommend it... it's scary.   :)
(<--face denoting joke)

dlee

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:29:05 EST
From: Flwr2hide 
Subject: Re: verve/araki

A Nothren Soul is wonderful
on your own and so it goes are beautiful songs
and life an ocean is great (imagine the future
woke up with a scream, i was
buying some feelings from a vending machine)
stormy clouds

---
alsion was also in the movie during the make out scene

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:31:06 EST
From: Flwr2hide 
Subject: Re: verve/nike

i find you comment about the verve sucking to be unfounded

im glad slowdive broke up that way you can say mojave 3 sucks because it isnt
spaey tripped out bliss

the verve are wonderful

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:40:35 EST
From: Flwr2hide@aol.com
Subject: Re: verve/nike

my only problem with bittersweet in the nike comercial is that they have no
rights to it so they arent getting any money and it willbecome known as the
nike song

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:43:30 EST
From: Primarygrl 
Subject: Re: Halou

In a message dated 98-01-29 01:59:06 EST, you write:

<< They haven't released anything yet as Halou, but their other band,
 Anymore has a CD out. Same singer and songwriter/programmer.  Anymore is
 more of a traditional band, bass, guitar, drums, vocals, and remind me
 of curve/cocteau twins.    I think you can find the CD at Streetlight
 Records in SF.  They started a monthly event called the Glad Hand which
 features live electronic bands, and they will be playing at the February
 Glad Hand on the 10th at the Justice League in San Francisco.  I'm sure
 if you go to the show and ask them, they can hook you up with some
 material.
>>

Oh, okay...  I am familiar with Anymore.  I know the bassist, who is also in
Dorothy's Melting.  

Thank you for the info...

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:44:30 EST
From: Flwr2hide 
Subject: adverts

well i know radiohead was asked several times for their song creep and they
said no no no....

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:47:18 EST
From: Primarygrl 
Subject: Re: verve/araki

SHEESH, okay, we already know that Alison was on the movie, someone was asking
about the soundtrack.  

As for the Verve... People are evtitled to their opinions, so I have to
disagree with whoever said A Northern Soul was great.  No slippedy slidin' for
me, thanks.  

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:49:58 EST
From: Flwr2hide 
Subject: Re: verve/nike

In a message dated 98-01-29 02:38:35 EST, you write:

<< 
 i find you comment about the verve sucking to be unfounded
 
 im glad slowdive broke up that way you can say mojave 3 sucks because it isnt
 spaey tripped out bliss
 
 the verve are wonderful
>>


this was all sacrasm onmy part
i just fucking hate it when people wont let an artist change and bellyache if
they do
come on....
i have to admit i loved lush's lovelife aswell as all the others
slowdive did some changing on every album and ep
the boo radleys have yet to make a bad album in my opinion and they change
quite often

all of radiohead love the verve
martin and sice of the boo's love'em
kevin shields loves the verve
so they cant be that bad
and that statement about the verve just adding guitars to stuff now isnt true
they is something to be said about a band that can play accoustic

ever seen radiohead accoustic

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:46:06 -0600
From: Agent Cooper 
Subject: Re: Stars of the Lid, E.A.R.

> From: Brad Nicholson 
> To: avalyn@lysator.liu.se
> 
> For those of you intersted in guitar oriented ambient music, check out
> Kranky band "Stars of The Lid".  They have three albums, "Music For Nitrous
> Oxide", "Gravataional Pull Versus The Desire For Aquatic Life", and "The
> Ballasted Orchestra".  They take the "run your guitar through 15 effects
> pedals and a signal processor, and it doesn't matter what you play"
> apporach to music.

While their live shows do conform somewhat to the "approach" you describe, I
must take exception to your description as it applies (or rather, doesn't) to
their records. Their records, especially The Ballasted Orchestra, are MUCH
more thoughtful than you give them credit for. I doubt that tracks 2 & 6 were
simply random notes and rhythms. I definitely think that everyone (not just
the listees) should have an opportunity to lie down in the dark and listen to
some Stars of the Lid. (And hey, they're from my town! (Austin) Hard to
believe that Stars of the Lid and utter crap white-boy blues "legend" Stevie
Ray Vomit are from the same STATE, much less the same municipality...)

> Also, in the non-guitar oriented ambient spectrum, check out Sonic Boom (as
> well as Kevin Shield's, Eddie Provost's, andKevin Martin's) side project -
> "Experimental Audio Research".  they're probably my favorite ambient outfit
> of the last few years.  It's very electronic oriented stuff.  Mainly Sonic
> messing around with his multitude of vintage noise makers.
> 
> brad

Well, the only thing Kevin's ever done was some guitar treatments for one song
on one of their records (the title track of "Beyond The Pale") - and
Mesmerised (by far their best record) is much more of a meeting of the minds
than later releases, which are indeed Sonic twiddling knobs on his Serge and
fiddling with his Theremin. (Not to say that Beyond the Pale and Millennium
Music don't have value - they're great - just not as 'musical' as Mesmerised.

Actually the altered saxophone on "in the cold light of day" (Beyond the Pale)
is really nice - puts you in a void. Really spooky with the vocalizations...
Good record.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:40:36 EST
From: Primarygrl 
Subject: change in sounds

In a message dated 98-01-29 03:13:21 EST, you write:

<< all of radiohead love the verve
 martin and sice of the boo's love'em
 kevin shields loves the verve
 so they cant be that bad >>

i never go by what others think, really (i don't care WHO they are).  i am
more into liking something if it sounds good to me.  i like the recent verve
album, as well as storm in heaven.  i, personally, didn't care for the a
northern soul album.  no big deal.  i don't see why it should piss you off if
people don't like something a band does (because of a change in sound).  there
are many bands who i adore who happen to make an album that just doesn't suit
me...i don't know why.  i didn't care for lovelife, by lush, either.  but...i
enjoy EVERY cocteau twins album.  i love all of slowdive's releases.  i liked
every cure album, minus wild mood swings.  i could name many more bands that
have changed sounds from album to album, but that keep my interest .  i think
it just depends on the individual, and i don't call it bellyaching.  that
sounds more like what you are doing.

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