Digest

Vol.2 Issue #23

September 21st, 1996

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  ** Last Issue - the digest will no longer be made after this issue **

There are 80 messages totalling 1595 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. yesterday's Mail
  2. Really BAD NEWS (2)
  3. BAD NEWS (18)
  4. oasis (3)
  5. manics (12)
  6. dan
  7. Later With Jools Holland - Brit Beat
  8. NON-CHARLATANS: Ice hockey
  9. no bad news (17)
 10. INFLUENCES (3)
 11. i kinda agree with david
 12. Hey Ladies.....Bad News (7)
 13. Charlatans single
 14. London (2)
 15. ken
 16. NEW BRIT TALENT (5)
 17. pics
 18. The Charlatans Digest "Then" going away
 19. concerts in st. louis
 20. aaaurgh (or whatever)

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 06:05:35 +0200 (MET DST)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: yesterday's Mail

Did anyone save yesterday (and today)'s mail to the list???

Can someone please forward that mail to me ASAP - I acidentally deleted my
mailbox!!!

 Thank you in advance!
 //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:06:55 +0800 (SGT)
From: bopgirl 
Subject: Re: Really BAD NEWS

At 03:18 PM 9/14/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Umm, is this a Charlatans mailing list, or an Oasis hate list?  If you
>don't like Oasis, fine.  Either explain why you don't like them, or don't
>bother with comments.  Don't mean to be sounding kinda bitchy, but I just
>get tired of hearing how much people hate certain bands.  Let's try to
>stick to the Charlies.
>
>Jen
>
>>What kind of person would waste $200 on a lame band like Oasis..
>
>Cheers,Jen.......................:)
>

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:53:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

Hey, Guess what...  The Manic Street Preachers sound like a heavy metal band
alright..
rock the fuck on...
dan.

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:54:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: Really BAD NEWS

No shit

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:58:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: oasis

If this message gets through, could somebody please respond?
 etetc...
dan.

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 96 12:17:18 EDT
From: devans@ccs.carleton.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: manics

DANIEL MCNELIS writes:
> 
> Hey, Guess what...  The Manic Street Preachers sound like a heavy metal band
> alright..
> rock the fuck on...
> dan.

Okay I know this is not a manics list but i couldn't let such a misguided
comment go uncommented on.  No the manics do not sound like a heavy metal
band.  I'll admit there was that one album (the name escapes me not, not
generation terrorists, or the holy bible), and even the band themselves
are not the proudest of that album.  But, if you take a listen to their
first album - "generation terrorists" and the new one - "everything must
go" you'll see just how wrong saying they sound like a heavy metal band. 
Especially if you listen to "tiny black flowers that grow in the sky" off
the new album.  Plus on top of that they have some of the most intelligent
lyrics in music today, can metallica really say that for themselves?  I'd
say not!

Anyway, like I said I know this is not a Manics list but I just wanted to
defend the honour of the boys from Blackwood. ;)> 

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:44:25 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN 
Subject: dan

dan the message got through

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:37:13 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN 
Subject: Re: oasis

the album is set for release in the new year

thanks 
james "lazyitis" callaway
sproston_green@wow.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:06:12 -0800 (PST)
From: XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

david, you need a date.

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 23:30:15 +0000
From: srblack@mail.enterprise.net (Steve Black)
Subject: Re: oasis

This is me responding.

                Leah

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 22:32:15 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey 
Subject: Later With Jools Holland - Brit Beat

Tonight, Sunday there was a sepcial on Brit Pop.  It was repears but
feautured, Oasis, Blur, The Charlatans, Manic Street Preachers, McAlmont &
Butler, Black Grape, Paul Weller, Elastica, The Bluetones + loads loads more.

It will be repeated tomorrow night, Monday on BBC2 at 18:50.

I for one will be video taping it.

Graham...

"See my bootlegs at http://www.freeweb.nethead.co.uk/gcawsey"

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:28:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: NON-CHARLATANS: Ice hockey

At 05:40 15/09/96 +0200, you wrote:
>
>My sincerest congratulations to the US members of this list!
>The US hockey team really won the World Cup a few minutes ago,
>and I just have to say how happy I am about that! Yaaaaaaay!
>Go USA Go! I do not care that Sweden were not one of the final
>teams, as long as the US team won . and they did! Yaaaaaay!
>
>Celebrate!!

Yeah, because you've only got until '98 before Canada takes the crown back.

MAPLE-LEAF FOREVER, at least in hockey :)

BTW Eirk, how could you turn yer back on yer country like that, for shame.

Cheers!
DAVE

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 21:46:58 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN 
Subject: Reply to: manics

ive heard other people say the manics sound like  Queen

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From: kevin100@juno.com (Kevin Holden)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 22:19:03 EDT
Subject: Re: no bad news

I wish everyone would get off the oasis thing. Point is, they're a damn
decent band, and as much as I hate to admit it, have sold tons more
records than most of my other fav. bands, including the charlatans. They
just have this image they like to play on. But I do agree they should
just stop their bickering and get on with it. Though if Liam left I think
oasis wouldn't split and noel would sing. Definitely not the sex appeal,
but if you've evr heard don't look back in anger or step out, then you
know noel can rock with the best of them and can sing alright. And let's
not forget, anyone who's ever seen him live knows what a top guitar
player he is. 

Here in the u.s. it sucks, I can't find the new charlatans single
anywhere, and I'm still waiting for northern uproar to take america by
storm.

god only knows why the charlatans aren't going to get a permnament organ
player. I wonder if they'll become more of a guitar based unit now? Well
anyone?

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:23:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: manics

hey...
A.  sorry about the drunken email tyrade.  moody incoherence that should be
ignored.
B.  I heard the new manics album today.  apologies again, it's actually quite
good! the "heavy metal" album was Generation Terrorists.
C.  the reason that I asked for someone to tell me if the message came through
is that I keep getting these "delivery failed" messages.  thanks a lot!
D.  did anyone here about the charlies in DC? anyone at all?
thanks, dan.

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 01:35:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: W00DST0CK 
Subject: Re: no bad news

In response to kevin i definitely think that the charlatans should move 
towards moe guitar work. Granted Rob was very talented, but one must 
admit his unique sound is not replaceable. Te keyboard generation died in 
the early 90's unfortunately so.  If Charlatans are able to go mainline 
with guitars than perhaps they will be able to hit main stream again 
because must ,music these days is functionally based around strings. Who 
knows? i could be just be crazy on caffiene at 2 in the morning with 
nothing beter to do.

Anthony

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:37:55 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics 
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

On Sat, 14 Sep 1996, Dave Kenny wrote:

> >well, i thought that oasis' attitudes were good to laugh at. they
> >complained about other bands not enjoying the spotlight and looking
> >gloomy, and i'm sure they were the happiest looking sods around. hmm..
> 
> I'm sorry, but I find it hysterical that anyone even cares about a band's
> attitude or what they have to say.  They don't owe the world anything more
> than their music.  They do it to make money.  And that's the end of the story.
> 
> Why anyone gives any credibility to a band's opinion as to how the world
> should be... or what values should be extolled, how we should establish
> world peace, how we should save the environment, or what country is better
> to live in ... is a bunch of malarkey.  It's admitting that the only reason
> their opinion is important is because they have money/hit records.  And if
> they really cared so much about these things... let them donate all the
> money/time/effort.  They're the millionaires in this equation.
> 
> For this reason, I hate NME, Melody Maker, Select, and their ilk.  They are
> rags... no less so than the Weekly World News and the National Equirer we
> have here in the States.  Flourishing on speculation.  
> 
> Furthermore, why obsess that they sound like the Beatles... or any other
> band?  If they do, it's simply because that was a good sound back in the
> late 60's and 70's and the musical style is being revived for a new
> generation.  It's not theivery.  It's not any less musical.  Hell... the
> great classical composers all copied styles and movements off each other.
> You can't put copyrights on harmonies and tonal progressions.  And, at the
> same time, it's a wonderful thing when you can listen to a piece of music
> and hear the band's influences... hear tonal progressions and suspensions...
> and know that the same or a similar pattern has been done before... and
> by... [insert band here].  I would compare it to the platonic simile of the
> cave, in that regard.  Isn't it wondrous to hear new music and be reminded
> of the form of that music... the music of the past?
> 
> I'm done ranting now.  
> 
> 
> 
> David
 
It was a nice rant though

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:33:25 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics 
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu wrote:

> Oasis sucks anyway, they may have some semblance of creativity in
> a music world filled with rap and talentless drones, but they still suck.
> I am grateful, though, that they put music with insturments back in 
> style........
 
now, now...suggesting rap music has no semblance of creativity or the 
implication that electronically generated music is music without 
instruments (or insturments) is a little narrow minded don't you think? 
The computer, the sound module, the mixer, they are all instruments as 
well. I'd warrant Tim Burgess would agree to that.

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:48:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Megan Hope Foster 
Subject: Re: no bad news

i think that there are possibly two sides to the question of replacing
rob. on one hand, i agree that you can't replace his contribution to the
band and his knowledge of the inner workings of the charlatans. on the
other hand, i would think that concert goers from here onwards would feel
that there was "something missing" from their sound if that keyboard
wasn't there. you can argue that use of more guitars will possibly make
them "more mainstream", but why follow what's'trendy' in music today? i
think that their sound has evolved quite a bit since the first album, and
that's what's kept them going (and with critical acclaim to back them, no
less) whereas the other bands from 5-7 years ago (i.e. northside--where
are they now?) didn't float.

just some more thoughts from central illinois, the cultural abyss.

megan.

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 09:13:18 PDT
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

[post removed by request from author]

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 12:17:22 EDT
From: devans@ccs.carleton.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: manics

Back to the manics for one brief moment.  "Generation Terrorists" was not
their heavy metal album.  It was the one either before holy bible or after
it.  It has the title taht includes sword in it, but I'm completely
drawing a blank on the name of it.  I'll make it a goal to find out
though.

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:00:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: no bad news

At 01:35 16/09/96 -0500, you wrote:
>In response to kevin i definitely think that the charlatans should move 
>towards moe guitar work. Granted Rob was very talented, but one must 
>admit his unique sound is not replaceable. Te keyboard generation died in 
>the early 90's unfortunately so.  If Charlatans are able to go mainline 
>with guitars than perhaps they will be able to hit main stream again 
>because must ,music these days is functionally based around strings. Who 
>knows? i could be just be crazy on caffiene at 2 in the morning with 
>nothing beter to do.

The problem is that there are nothing but guitar bands out there now, I'm
sick this overglorified classic rock called "grunge".

What I've always liked best about the Charlies is that they're a band in
which not a single one of the instruments dominates the sound.

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:00:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

At 09:13 16/09/96 PDT, you wrote:
>I had a good laugh when I got into work this morning and read this post!  Just
>wait...the U.S. will completely overtake Canada in hockey in a few years.

Kind of like how Canada took over the US comedy industry? Don't hold yer
breath. You only got good because you learned from us.

>As Canada's most favorite daughter says:  "Isn't it ironic?  Don't cha think?"

Exactly who is Canada's favourite daughter? K.D. Lang?

Cheers!
DAVE

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:25:19 -0400
From: Sproston Green 
Subject: Re: no bad news

At 04:00 PM 9/16/96 -0400, David Reichert wrote:
>At 01:35 16/09/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>In response to kevin i definitely think that the charlatans should move 
>>towards moe guitar work. Granted Rob was very talented, but one must 
>>admit his unique sound is not replaceable. Te keyboard generation died in 
>>the early 90's unfortunately so.  If Charlatans are able to go mainline 
>>with guitars than perhaps they will be able to hit main stream again 
>>because must ,music these days is functionally based around strings. Who 
>>knows? i could be just be crazy on caffiene at 2 in the morning with 
>>nothing beter to do.
>>
>The problem is that there are nothing but guitar bands out there now, I'm
>sick this overglorified classic rock called "grunge".
>
>What I've always liked best about the Charlies is that they're a band in
>which not a single one of the instruments dominates the sound.

I'm in total agreement here.  There are far too many guiter-drum-bass
bands out there that are just churning up the muck of yesterday and
last year and the last decade.  That organ makes a lot of the charlies
songs great instead of just good.  The band would be doing themselves
a disservice in retiring that old hammond after all these years.
I don't think they will but what do i know.

one of the sequencer generation.

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:42:32 -0800 (PST)
From: XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu
Subject: Re: no bad news

well the4 loss of brooks is going to make a big dent, no doubt, but lets
do hope the guitars will shine through, and they will become more
grinding, and melodic.  just got bluetones cd, decent.  oh by the way:
records sales do not make a a band valuable, let us not forget menudos'
magnanamous record sales.........
any news on a american tour for The charlies????
hey BRITISH PEOPLES...what are some good bands coming out,
check out the band "red 5" from the states, just signed, they played
at my uni last semester, great live, not a charlies or roses, but musically
talented..
later
X-TIAN

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:55:29 -0800 (PST)
From: XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

LET ME CLARIFY...
"East Coast Killas. West Coast Killas" is crap.  over here, in the states
the pop music seriously blows.  many bands do not even write their own songs,
or play insturments by themselves.  i do admire techno because they, the
artists make no bones about what their work is.  here the rap artists, who do
have a talent for rhymin'(and stealin' props to the beastie boys) have less
of a musical ear.  snoop doggy dogg.....the guy markets himself to middleclass
white kids ihn the suburbs, and fills them up with horrific pictures of 
american ghetto l,ife, which these priviledged white kids emulate in their parents
Mercedes or BMW.  secondly, attempt to listen to one of his songs, or any
gangsta rappas aong....nuff said.   tribe called quest, digable planets are
another thing.  the music and lyrics are intelligent,and well put together.
from an artistic stand point, sure in 50 years when everyone is dead, or in
tupac shakurs case now, people may look back and reevaluate what the music
says.  unlike artists like hendrix, morrison, even the painter Van Gogh (who
everone thought was crazy) the only thoing this gangsta rap which is polluting
american radios says is how to *uck you *itch, steal, kill, and how its all
whiteys fault.  my 17 year old sister was excited to play me a rap song
entitled "blow job betty".  the song in graphic detal explaind...well we all
can imagine.  now art my be sexual and violent, but there is a difference
between intelligent lyrics which cleverly manipulate the language to elude
to multiblke meanings.
	one more thing.  rapppers only do it for money, not for the love of
music, or because of some emotional necessity, but because their managers 
rape them and use them for mi
oney.  i am grateful that the millions of times i saw "wonderwall" i was not
seeing "east coast killas waes coast killas"
******************how does this relate to the CHARLATANS?***************
the charlatans are beautiful artist
! their music is pleasing to the ear, and burgess, and crew write great
lyrics, ii am studying English literature (not grammar as you may have guessed)
and could see into so many of the charlies songs.  the charlies are plesent
while rappers are vulgar
NUFF SAID

XTIAN
E-mail: XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 14:58:06 PDT
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

[post removed by request from author]

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:31:20 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN 
Subject: Reply to: Re: manics

i get those delivery failed messages to ........hmmmmmm....how odd

love james

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:32:57 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN 
Subject: Reply to: Re: BAD NEWS

from what i understend tim burgess is a big fan of rap

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:33:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: no bad news

At 13:42 16/09/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
>well the4 loss of brooks is going to make a big dent, no doubt,

Please tell me that you mean the loss of Collins, not brooks, or did brooks
leave the band and I didn't hear about it.

Please put my mind at ease very soon.

DAVE

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:29:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: david ashley evans 
Subject: Re: no bad news

Good to see there are other people who think that illinois is a cultural 
abyss. I can't wait to get my ass out of here. Did either of you see the 
charlatans in chicago last year?

dave

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:42:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: david ashley evans 
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

I agree (and would add de la soul to the "artistic" list. I like the new 
album much, although it isn't as fyun as their first 3) . I also agree 
with the person who wanted to hear bands where not just one sound came 
through. Although most bands use or are characterized more by a particular 
instrument than another; there is a problem of being completed dominated 
by a instrument, which does seem very frequent in current popular music  (i 
think that's when people find a synthesizer particularly annoying). I 
never realized that the bands I like are diverse in which instrument 
comes through for different songs and different parts of songs.Alright 
that took way too long to say.

dave

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:23:52 +1000
From: maggie lum 
Subject: Re: no bad news

No way should the Charlatans stick to just a guitar sound!
Their development since the first album just proves how
they've adapted the hammond/keyboards from their Madchester 
days to something that's fresh and exciting for today.
I think that in today's guitar drenched world in which the 
keyboard generation is supposedly dead, the keyboard sounds
of the Charlies are even more relevant. This said, their
guitar sound is equally important, but it's their amalgamation
of these sounds which makes them so ace.

I agree that they'll never replace Rob, but just cos 
he's no longer around does not mean that they should ditch 
what he made so special.  I think that most people would
agree that they do not want to see the Charlies turn into 
guitar based rock pigs like the Roses (so sad what's happened 
to them!)

stay sharp,
maggie

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:20:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

>>Exactly who is Canada's favourite daughter? K.D. Lang?
>>
>Alannis Moronsette...who else?
>(Who else could write a song called "Ironic," and not actually understand what
>the word means?  Now there's the irony for you!)

Shhhhhh! We're trying to keep the fact that Alanis Morrishit is from Canada
a secret. :)

DAVE

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:04:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ailsa Wong 
Subject: Re: no bad news

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu wrote:

> well the4 loss of brooks is going to make a big dent, no doubt, but lets
> do hope the guitars will shine through, and they will become more
> grinding, and melodic.  just got bluetones cd, decent.  oh by the way:
> records sales do not make a a band valuable, let us not forget menudos'
> magnanamous record sales.........
> any news on a american tour for The charlies????
> hey BRITISH PEOPLES...what are some good bands coming out,
> check out the band "red 5" from the states, just signed, they played
> at my uni last semester, great live, not a charlies or roses, but musically
> talented..
> later
> X-TIAN

um...you mean the loss of collins, right? :)

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:10:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ailsa Wong 
Subject: Re: manics

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, SPROSTON GREEN wrote:

> i get those delivery failed messages to ........hmmmmmm....how odd
> 
> love james
 
YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!! :):):)
	ailsa

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:14:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ailsa Wong 
Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: BAD NEWS

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, SPROSTON GREEN wrote:

> from what i understend tim burgess is a big fan of rap
 
yeah. tim burgess loves wu tang clan who happen to live where i
live (shudder). what of it? i read the whole paragraph by someone who
wrote about gangsta rap. i don't think we should be complaining about
something that is prolly influencing the great mind of mr. burgess. :)
AILSA

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 23:33:05 EDT
From: devans@ccs.carleton.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: INFLUENCES

I think it is important that all the band members, of whatever teh
particular band be, have various musical tastes.  AS such, it will bring a
fresh vibe to song writing.  It is more than likely that the bands
themselves do not listen to soley other bands that make up their genre of
music.  I know the guys from Chaperhouse all had varying musical tastes,
ranging from dance to house to the style deemed "indie."  Then on top of
that just because a particular band member listens to a style that does
not mean that it would carry over to influence their song writing.  But,
if it does would that be so bad?  I think we would all agree that what
makes a truly great band and song writer is to draw upon all sorts of
styles and create something original and exciting.  Besides, how many
bands of today really have something that can be said to be 100% original.
 All the recent talk slagging Oasis for ripping off Oasis isn't that new
or      that surprising.  It's called having an influence - albeit Oasis
had a considerably large amount of "influecne" (i'm trying to be polite)
but nothing has been truly 100% original in decades.  Everyband has
something in their sound that we've heard before.  I see a lot of
"northern soul" in the charlatans and verve, a lot of 1960s pop in the
charlatans also, and also in bands like st. etienne and ride.  It really
is to be expected.  what does count more on teh originality scale should
be a combination of lyrics and music - even if the music does come from a
sound heard elsewhere.

Now, if only researching and writing my dissertation could go so well at
almost midnight.

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:35:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: tecwritr@wichita.fn.net (John Ball)
Subject: Re: INFLUENCES

St. E, Ride and Verve all in the same paragraph........

If only this list wasn't always so full of beauty

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:41:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: tecwritr@wichita.fn.net (John Ball)
Subject: Re: i kinda agree with david

>only because the stone roses were compared to the byrds....and we all know
they went on to change the world
>
>the stone roses are dead long live the stone roses
>love james "lazyitis" callaway
>
>PS britpop fans in austin texas

I am planning a trip to Austin in October to see the URB Tour,

COuld you send me your E so I might ask some advice for traveling to texas
it scares me, but I bet there must be good things their?

Mine is "tecwritr@wichita.fn.net"

thanks J

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:58:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: tecwritr@wichita.fn.net (John Ball)
Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: BAD NEWS

>On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, SPROSTON GREEN wrote:
>
>> from what i understend tim burgess is a big fan of rap
>> 
>	yeah. tim burgess loves wu tang clan who happen to live where i
>live (shudder). what of it? i read the whole paragraph by someone who
>wrote about gangsta rap. i don't think we should be complaining about
>something that is prolly influencing the great mind of mr. burgess. :)
>AILSA

Arguement is the beginning of Enlightenment

Even if it conflicts with Mr. Burgess

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:09:57 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics 
Subject: Re: INFLUENCES

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, deborah evans wrote:

> I think it is important that all the band members, of whatever teh
> particular band be, have various musical tastes.  AS such, it will bring a
> fresh vibe to song writing.  It is more than likely that the bands
> themselves do not listen to soley other bands that make up their genre of
> music.  I know the guys from Chaperhouse all had varying musical tastes,
> ranging from dance to house to the style deemed "indie."  Then on top of
> that just because a particular band member listens to a style that does
> not mean that it would carry over to influence their song writing.  But,
> if it does would that be so bad?  I think we would all agree that what
> makes a truly great band and song writer is to draw upon all sorts of
> styles and create something original and exciting.  Besides, how many
> bands of today really have something that can be said to be 100% original.
>  All the recent talk slagging Oasis for ripping off Oasis isn't that new
> or      that surprising.  It's called having an influence - albeit Oasis
> had a considerably large amount of "influecne" (i'm trying to be polite)
> but nothing has been truly 100% original in decades.  Everyband has
> something in their sound that we've heard before.  I see a lot of
> "northern soul" in the charlatans and verve, a lot of 1960s pop in the
> charlatans also, and also in bands like st. etienne and ride.  It really
> is to be expected.  what does count more on teh originality scale should
> be a combination of lyrics and music - even if the music does come from a
> sound heard elsewhere.
> 
> Now, if only researching and writing my dissertation could go so well at
> almost midnight.
 
Here in Perth few music reviewers recognise the fact that all bands are 
influenced by other music and that nothing is totally new. They chose to 
slag off local acts that are influenced by English pop and dance music, 
calling them too derivative (yes I've been at the receiving end of this) and 
ignore the, to me, more obvious references by local acts to the 
more fashionable US guitar pop bands, most of the time not even 
ackowledging the similarities. Oh well
Kevin  

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:42:22 +0200 (MET DST)
From: ronald Janus 
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

Oi Kevin, 
Get off my E-mail, you fookin' twat!
I'm not interested in your whining 'bout OASIS.
I like 'm, so stop annoying me.

Wyb@dds.nl

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:06:07 -0800 (PST)
From: XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu
Subject: Re: no bad news

oops! sorry about that, wrote message in a hurry, my bad!

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:09:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Megan Hope Foster 
Subject: Re: no bad news

unfortunately, i did not see their show last year (at the metro, yes?) and
i am still shooting myself b/c i didn't go. i was down at school in st.
louis for the past two years, and although several british shows weaved
their way through missouri (among them being supergrass, lush, cast, and
blur) the charlatans, if i'm not mistaken, only hit a few key cities in
the states.

there's quite a few bands that i'm (im)patiently waiting for to hit the
u.s. i would like the bluetones to hit a few more u.s. dates, as well as
some others like ocean colour scene and shed seven. but i guess we just
wait and see.

megan.

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:13:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: jasper@inlink.com (SmilingJudy)
Subject: Re: no bad news

>unfortunately, i did not see their show last year (at the metro, yes?) and
>i am still shooting myself b/c i didn't go. i was down at school in st.
>louis for the past two years, and although several british shows weaved
>their way through missouri (among them being supergrass, lush, cast, and
>blur) the charlatans, if i'm not mistaken, only hit a few key cities in
>the states.
>
>megan.

hey megan!

i'm in st. louis too.  were you into the charlie's before this last album?
even though they didn't come 'round last year, i saw them at mississippi
nights in '92 and '94.  of course, the two _best_ shows i've ever witnessed
in my life (only because i missed ride, i'm sure  :)  the place was packed
in '92, but wasn't too crowded in '94 which i'm guessing is why they didn't
come back.  

kim :)

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:59:15 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics 
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, ronald Janus wrote:

> Oi Kevin, 
> Get off my E-mail, you fookin' twat!
> I'm not interested in your whining 'bout OASIS.
> I like 'm, so stop annoying me.
> 
> Wyb@dds.nl

Hey buddy, check your email it wasn't me who was whining about Oasis 
it was someone with xapuzder as their address. I expect an apology. I was 
suggesting he or she open their minds up about music; any type, no 
matter how tired and cheesey, even including Oasis.

But thankyou for sending the message to me because it confirmed in my 
mind the uselessness of email (which, by the way, is not yours but belongs 
to everybody who agrees to subscribe to this list). Its just too easy to 
send messages without really thinking about what you are saying. And you 
can vent steam off on some innocent stranger. 

Maybe, Mr jANUS, the price you pay for being on this list is putting up 
with other people's opinions and being factually accurate and relatively 
friendly if you want to express your difference of opinion. 

So stop annoying me
 Kevin   

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 23:15:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: tecwritr@wichita.fn.net (John Ball)
Subject: Hey Ladies.....Bad News

Sorry to inform you ladies but Tim and Co. played the Bluenote in Columbia
MO in support of "Up to Our Hips"....Brillant, fookin Brilliant!!!!

First the band was drinkin some Bass on a table in front of the club. My
sister and I about feel out, but quickly gained our wits and scrambled to
the car for our CDs to be signed. We had them signed by the nicest band I
have yet to meet and we even had the oppertunity to talk to them for a spot.
I was enlightened to the fact that the bannannas off between.... were phalic
symbols taken from the velvet underground.....HA! There are also Warhol
esquie prints of the bannannas in lithography in different colors that were
rejected as possibilities for the cover. The origanials are in the Japan.
import. 

The opened with the Patrol mix off jesus hairdo on the decks.. I am a
dance\tribal\trip hop music junky and it was my first dose of the Charletans
under the enfluence of the DUB. THis coupled with seein um for the first
time live and in person with about 2 or 3 hundred people in a place that
looked half empty currled my toes and put a twinkle in my eye.  No One Not
Even the rain ended one of the most enchanting evenings I have had. WIsh
more could have been there but you ladies are the first I think could have
appricated it and who also live that close that you could of. It was 6 hours
NE from Kansas for me. Very worth the 12 hrs. round trip for 1 1\2 hours.

j

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:33:57 -0400
From: ShamanBart@aol.com
Subject: Re: Charlatans single

In a message dated 96-09-15 23:08:04 EDT, Kevin100 wrote:

>Here in the u.s. it sucks, I can't find the new charlatans single
>anywhere, 

No problemo finding One to Another in the stores hear, provided you find the
right store. The US has a thing about good British artists--the major stores
want to sell enough crap from US wannabes and MTV talentless bands and leave
most of the real music for small stores and college radio to cover.  It must
be a conspiracy (one of them many theories I subscribe to--just kidding).

Production on the single sounds a bit tinny and the organ is too far back in
the mix.  I actually like the track Reputation best on first couple listens.
 Good solid single.

Another cool release is the Long Agos and Worlds Apart, Small Faces tribute
deal.  Tracks by Ride, Weller, Martin Carr, Gene, Primal Scream are way cool.
 Also, Northern Uproar, which I'm sure would please Kevin100.

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 23:41:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: jasper@inlink.com (SmilingJudy)
Subject: Re: Hey Ladies.....Bad News

>Sorry to inform you ladies but Tim and Co. played the Bluenote in Columbia
>MO in support of "Up to Our Hips"....Brillant, fookin Brilliant!!!!

yeah, that's what i was referring to.  '94, right?  or am i becoming senile
already.  regardless, utoh was the album they were supporting at the show i
saw in st. louie.  didn't know they made the trek to columbia...interesting.
good one, but the '92 show topped it by far...even if tim did have a cold.  



>under the enfluence of the DUB. THis coupled with seein um for the first
>time live and in person with about 2 or 3 hundred people in a place that
>looked half empty currled my toes and put a twinkle in my eye.  No One Not

2 or 3 hundred????  you must be joking.  sorry man, but you can fit a lot
more than twice that in the bluenote.  

:)

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:18:01 -0400
From: O2bBritish@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hey Ladies.....Bad News

megan and kim. . . .how were the Charlatans' shows at Mississippi Nights? (I
live in St. Louis, too) . . . .I didn't start liking them until recently. . .
. .let me know if you hear anything about them coming here again. . . .also,
where do you go to school?

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:59:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: manics

What Manics album included the song "Slash and Burn"?
That was the now infamous "heavy metal" album.  Sorry if I was mistaken about
Generation Terrorists but I swore that was the album.  Who knows...
dan.
PS no big deal.... really!!!

---------------------------------

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:31:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

Kevin, "Mr. Janus",
	If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times...
Can't we all just get along!!!!!

I'll catch hell for this one...
dan.

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:28:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: no bad news

I don't want to hear the complaints cos supergrass, cast and blur (to the best
of my knowledge) have never even been to Pittsburgh.  Lush comes here all the 
time, but they keep coming om these goofy-ass tours with bands like Everclear
and what have you...
I haven't seen the Charlatans in 4 painful years (but I might see them in a 
week and a half if someone will PLEASE confirm this Washington DC rumor!!!)
	Are the Bluetones touring the states?
Sorry, just needed to vent a bit of pent-up frustration!
dan.

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:42:26 BST0GMT
From: Suzanne Price 
Subject: Re: manics

Just to set the record straight about the Manics albums........

The first one was 'Generation Terrorists' which had 'Slash and Burn' 
on it as well as the brilliant 'Motorcycle Emptiness'

Then came 'Gold Against The Soul' which has 'From Despair to Where' 
on it and 'La Trustessa Durera'.

Next was 'The Holy Bible'

and their latest one is called 'Everything Must Go' which has top 
tunes on it like 'A Design for Life' and 'The Girl who wanted to be 
God'

And I know it coz Ive got them all.

Suzanne

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:12:05 +0100
From: AELLIG@ubaclu.unibas.ch
Subject: London

I want to meet some people when I get to 
London in the beginning of october.
You got my E-Mail. Contact me.

Tobias Aellig, Switzerland, 21.

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:23:41 -0400
From: kangela@uakron.edu (chinacatsunflower)
Subject: Re: ken

>For heavens sake Mr Ken, the rest of us dont keep saying "you know" every
>five words when we're writtning. If you want to convince us of your Scottish
>credentials then fair enough but how about changing your vocabulary to
>includ more than three words (cunt, ya, ken) that it sounds to me that you
>picked up from Trainspotting. Sorry but I'm fed up of this mailing list
>being full of crap, hows about stopping all this "I can speak French" or
>whatever and talk music?
>
>        Paul.

i had a friend in high school named paul simpson. i don't think you're him.
                              still growing my hair,
                                    angel-a

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:35:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Megan Hope Foster 
Subject: Re: no bad news

kim,

i hate you!

no, i don't, i'm just insanely jealous. a charlatans show at miss. nights
would be PERFECT! and i can't believe ride was in st. l. too. i am
absolutely devastated that they broke up this year. 

i was only in st. louis for 2 years, 94- may 96, b/c i was going to school
at washington u. unfortunately, i graduated, and am now stuck about
halfway
between st. l. and chicago, near peoria. i try to get down to st. l.
whenever i can--as a matter of fact, i'll be heading down this weekend for
the mrmf. but you'll have to keep me up to date if any good shows roll
through town.

i'm still in amazement...the charlatans at miss. nights. hmm..92 was prob.
after the 2nd album, and 94 after up to our hips, correct? if i'd only
known back then...

oh well. :)

megan.

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:52:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Megan Hope Foster 
Subject: Re: Hey Ladies.....Bad News

ooooh....so they were at columbia, as well as st. l.

still wish i'd been there. that's what you get when your hometown thrives
on country music. 

megan.

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:13:33 +0100
From: Michael Hutchinson 
Subject: NEW BRIT TALENT

X - TIAN:

Some new british bands to look out for are:

TIGER - weird way of tuning their guitars but nevertheless cool - cureent
single is called RACE
HEAVY STEREO - new album called deja voodoo - Glam metal slam style.
MANSUN - few singles out - sripper vicar, take it easy chicken - also 1 ep
and 2 ep. 
KULA SHAKER - next big thing over here - indie with an indian tinge
DODGY - you've probably heard of them. look out for second album 'homegrown'
OCEAN COLOR SCENE - another beatles copycat band
SUPER FURRY ANIMALS  - welsh. nuff said.

and finally

PJ and DUNCAN.......    only joshin!
 
 Hutchinson,

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 12:46:37 EDT
From: devans@ccs.carleton.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: manics

Suzanne, Thanks for jogging my memory as to the one that was a bit on the
heavy metal side - "Gold Against the Soul,"  I couldn't remember the
title because i was so disappointed with it i never bought it.

 Suzanne Price
writes: > 
> Just to set the record straight about the Manics albums........
> 
> The first one was 'Generation Terrorists' which had 'Slash and Burn' 
> on it as well as the brilliant 'Motorcycle Emptiness'
> 
> Then came 'Gold Against The Soul' which has 'From Despair to Where' 
> on it and 'La Trustessa Durera'.
> 
> Next was 'The Holy Bible'
> 
> and their latest one is called 'Everything Must Go' which has top 
> tunes on it like 'A Design for Life' and 'The Girl who wanted to be 
> God'
> 
> And I know it coz Ive got them all.
> 
> Suzanne
 
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 12:57:46 EDT
From: devans@ccs.carleton.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: manics

Dan,  Hmm. . . now you have me truly confused as to where you heard
"generation Terrorists" referred to as teh heavy metal album.  taht is
the one with slash and burn on it but to my knowledge the only one
been refered to as heavy metal has been the one with the mash theme on
it.  But, like you said it's really no big deal - it is just one of
those things that will bug me until i get it straight for myself. 
but, to avoid nasty "this is a charlatans mailing list not a manics"
comments i'll drop it now.

 DANIEL
MCNELIS writes: >  > What Manics album included the song "Slash and Burn"?
> That was the now infamous "heavy metal" album.  Sorry if I was mistaken about
> Generation Terrorists but I swore that was the album.  Who knows...
> dan.
> PS no big deal.... really!!!

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:28:37 -0700
From: jhowe@ccinet.ab.ca (Jen Howe)
Subject: Re: London

Me too!  I'm moving there on October 16th and I know nobody in England, let
alone London!

Jen

>I want to meet some people when I get to
>London in the beginning of october.
>You got my E-Mail. Contact me.
>
>Tobias Aellig, Switzerland, 21.

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:29:08 +0100
From: Michael Hutchinson 
Subject: pics



did you see a picture?
>
 
 Hutchinson,

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:12:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: david ashley evans 
Subject: Re: Hey Ladies.....Bad News

That show was sweet, but I can do one better, cleveland, 100 people, 
maybe less, in a basement club (same tour), the phatest. Can't remember the 
name, saw james there too. And thanks for confirming that the bananas 
where a whorhol take. I (as long w/ a bunch of us probably) guessed that.

dave

---------------------------------

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:30:27 -0400
From: Rainbow507@aol.com
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

what the hell? did oasis officially break up or not???????? im confused

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:57:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Heather Watson 
Subject: Re: Hey Ladies.....Bad News

Does anyone know if the new Charlatans single is out in the UK?

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 17:17:21 EDT
From: devans@ccs.carleton.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: NEW BRIT TALENT

Michael Hutchinson writes:
> 
> Some new british bands to look out for are:
> 
> HEAVY STEREO - new album called deja voodoo - Glam metal slam style.
I think they are a very generic sound that has been done to death.  you

know stuff remenicent of the manics, these animal men, whiteout, and the
list goes one.  plus i don't think they are that good at all.  

> MANSUN - few singles out - sripper vicar, take it easy chicken - also 1 ep
> and 2 ep. 

same goes for manusn - try having to endure them live, not a plesant
experience.

> KULA SHAKER - next big thing over here - indie with an indian tinge
> DODGY - you've probably heard of them. look out for second album 'homegrown'

yes, but their first and third albums are far better (the dodgy album and
tree piece sweet respectively).  plus they have a quite enjoyable cover of
the beatles revolution on the "criminal justice bill album"

 > OCEAN COLOR SCENE - another beatles copycat band 

ahh, memories of my youth!  :)

> SUPER FURRY ANIMALS 

- welsh. nuff said. > 
Okay, well you have me in complete agreement here!! Plus if that isn't
in the inlay of the cd, under the disc there is the band standing under
one of cardiff's bridges, with the words "it's brains you want" on it. 
more wonderful memories.  plus they have weather girl sain lloyd and
howard marks on the inlay.  now if howard marks wasn't a genius !

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:47:45 -0800 (PST)
From: XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu
Subject: Re: Hey Ladies.....Bad News

ANY CHARLATANS FANS IN ST.LOUIS E-MAIL ME!!!!
XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu
thanks!
st.louis native, and proud of it!
XTIAN

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:44:57 -0800 (PST)
From: XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

YES, I am XAPUZDER, and i am sorry about "whining about Oasis".  I am
sick of them, and would prefer to talk charlies, etc.  but the conversation
did bring up some good points from all sides.  this mailing list is great,
and i am glad to see some thinking people exist in the word...
AKA: XTIAN!!

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:51:26 -0800 (PST)
From: XAPUZDER@ccvax.fullerton.edu
Subject: Re: no bad news

I saw FUGAZI @ miss.night, and now live in SO.California.  i do not think ANY
i repeat ANY venue out here could EVER compare to MISS nights!!!!
i missed them last time, and the roses cancelled cuz someone broke an arm

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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 08:00:19 +0900
From: Gregory 
Subject: Re: NEW BRIT TALENT

Thanks for the post on new bands Michael. I can't get enough of Dodgy at the
moment, especially 'In A Room' from Free Peace Sweet. I am also dying to
hear the Kula Shaker album as the new single is ace. As is "one to another"
which seems to have had little comment passed on it on the Charlatans list.

It was nice to see a post that didn't include two pages of other peoples
messages attached to it for a change as well as one that failed to mention
another American city where you think you may have heard the Charlatans will
be coming to or once did, with no report of the concert at all if you had
gone and wished you had been to if you weren't there. Nor did it go on and
on trying to recall the heavy metal album( and this is really stretching it)
of band. Not the Charalatans again. There seems to be a lot of memory loss
going around on this list, and very little thought put in to what is being
posted.

As for the guy who said "I'm gonna catch hell for this". Isn't it past your
bedtime ?

Ride on
Gregory

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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:28:20 +1000 (EST)
From: maggie lum 
Subject: Re: manics

>What Manics album included the song "Slash and Burn"?
>That was the now infamous "heavy metal" album.  Sorry if I was mistaken about
>Generation Terrorists but I swore that was the album.  Who knows...
>dan.
>PS no big deal.... really!!!

Slash and Burn is indeed on Generation Terrorists.
That was their glam/punk album.  Gold Against the Soul
is stadium rock, The Holy Bible is stripped back, angry punk/goth
and Everything Must Go is mellowed out/Richey'sgone melacholy.

maggie

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[post removed on request from author]

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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:51:33 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics 
Subject: Re: BAD NEWS

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, DANIEL MCNELIS wrote:

> Kevin, "Mr. Janus",
> 	If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times...
> Can't we all just get along!!!!!
> 
> I'll catch hell for this one...
> dan.
 
  Hey Dan, did you see what he called me? I'll paraphrase:"Oi you, get 
off my email you fookin' twat". And he sent it to the wrong guy! It wasn't 
me who sent the message he disliked enough to be so rude. 

I know its a bit lame to say "he started it" but..well..he did! And at 
least I was relatively civil in my reply. There's nothing like being a 
totally innocent victim for bringing out dignified self righteousness. 

Come to think of it I don't think we CAN all get along. That's 
the sad fact of the human condition.

Kevin 

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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:58:46 +0200 (MET DST)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: The Charlatans Digest "Then" going away

 **** Important message regarding the Digest version of this mailing list ****

  I'm sorry to inform all of you that the next issue of the Then Digest
  (the Charlatans Digest) will be the last one. After that, the Then
  mailing list will be shut down.

                             Why - I simply do not have the time anymore.

  Thank you for this time,
  //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)

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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:03:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Megan Hope Foster 
Subject: Re: concerts in st. louis

the roses played in st. l., about a week or two before squire broke his
collarbone. they played at one of those huge festivals (7-10 bands) and
although there were some roses fans out there, no one really gave a crap
until they did "10 storey" and of course "love spreads". ian was a bit mad
at the crowd's indifference, but i thought they still did a pretty good 45
min. set. songs included: made of stone, she bangs the drums, elephant
stone, breaking into heaven, i am the resurrection, driving south--and of
course, opening with i wanna be adored.

megan.

-----------------------------------

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:12:33 -0400
From: kangela@uakron.edu (chinacatsunflower)
Subject: Re: Reply to: aaaurgh (or whatever)

>On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:
>
>> Sproston Green...is that anything like Soylent Green? :)
>> 
>> On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 20:26:25 -0400 SPROSTON GREEN said:
>> >knife drawer ...huh...what?
>> 
>  mmmmm...soylent green

mmmmmmm....soiled greens.
                              still growing my hair,
                                    angel-a

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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 11:30:20 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" 
Subject: Re: no bad news

Since when can Noel Galagher play guitar? When I saw oasis I was totally
disapointed with both guitars-the boner guy and Noel.Both playing the 
same open chords in unison. Then noel comin out to play his 'solo'
and you can here keyboards in the background. What a joke. I wonder
how Mark Collins feels about Noel. They were both Roadies for the 
carpets together, and both join major bands. Collins a hundred times better
at guitar, but noel, even though he plays like crap is the one gettin plenty.
-Cresser

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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:30:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: NEW BRIT TALENT

Dearest Gregory:
	This is quite impertenant to the list, but I feel I should defend
myself.  The reason that I wrote "I'm gonna catch hell for this" is because
I knew that I would from people like you.  Thanks for proving me right.
God fucking forbid somebody should try to keep the conversations "civil" on
this list. Maybe the reason that I directed that message to you is because
the rest of the list probably doesn't feel like getting messages that consist
of nothing but petty arguements between two people that have little or no
value (entertainment aside) to any of the topics on the list.
I'm not trying to cram the age-old "Charlatans content only" line down your
throat, but I think your spiteful little lashouts are just a wee bit immature.
Sorry. Don't mean to act like your dad or anything.

Well, gotta go, its past my bedtime.
dan.

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