The Charlatans Digest Vol.2 Issue #21
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Digest
Vol.2 Issue #21
September 3rd, 1996
There are 81 messages totalling 1492 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. AAAAUURRGH!!! (3)
2. Tired old subject
3. AAAAUUURRGH, Play nicely everyone.
4. No Subject (23)
5. THE END
6. your mail
7. All the whining (6)
8. don't look back
9. Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown
10. Reading Festival
11. nooo (3)
12. The White Room
13. Facts
14. Jethro Tull? (2)
15. Sheer Heresy (2)
16. the 'sis bollocks. (2)
17. the eighties and beyond (7)
18. NME Single Reviews
19. Stephan Fenn's daytripper bootlegs (message by James) (2)
20. Any news from the Front?
21. looking for Charlatans DATs
22. Get us of this list (2)
23. newsgroup
24. New Single (2)
25. Get me off this postinglist... - Reply
26. Rush (7)
27. Oasis breakup? (6)
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:33:45 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: RE: AAAAUURRGH!!!
>>> hey cheers, if you think so it's all you. i just tend to ignore stuff
>>> i hate, ie. jethro tull, and yes, i am a musician. just a very
>>> close-minded snobby one!
>>>
>> not something to be proud about.
>>
> neither is your occupation.
never said I was
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:35:19 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re: AAAAUURRGH!!!
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Heather Watson wrote:
> Who is everyone? Their minds are "Thick as a brick."
>
> On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 Vdrklvr@aol.com wrote:
>
>> everyone is comparing the charlatans 2 jethro tull...
>>
who really gives a shit? Its just pop music and as such you can
probably find all sorts of unlikely comparisons. Nothing is as original
as it first appears
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:40:29 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re: Tired old subject
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:
> I am really sick of people on mailing lists who go on and on like know-it-alls
> all the time. There are some people who don't have a thoughts in their heads
> that weren't put there by NME or some other dopey magazine they paid too much
> for. Please stop wasting your time and money on Select, and take a Music
> Appreciation course or something. Journalists often know a lot less than the
> general public. Some of you would become extremely distraught if, for
> instance, Paul McCartney suddenly declared that he'd been misquoted about
> liking anything by the Beach Boys. (And let's just keep in mind some of the
> no-brainer stuff Paul put out after his Beatles years). Please learn to form
> your own opinions, people. This is only a suggestion.
Sorry are you referring to people who have made a comparison between
Jethro Tull and the Charlatans? I'm not sure if you are so excuse me if
I'm barking up the wrong tree but I see a vague similarity in some of the
music and certainly did not get that idea from a magazine (I don't buy
them and never have). I got it from listening to Up to Our Hips. Its hard
to ignore the stylistic similarity. There is a 70's feel to the keyboards
and guitar. Just my humble opinion, no need to take me to task for it.
Please ignore this if that is not what you were referring to
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:46:17 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: RE: AAAAUURRGH!!!
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Sproston Green wrote:
> At 11:11 AM 8/19/96 +0800, Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics wrote:
>>
>>On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 KTAYLOR@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU wrote:
>>
>>> hey cheers, if you think so it's all you. i just tend to ignore stuff
>>> i hate, ie. jethro tull, and yes, i am a musician. just a very
>>> close-minded snobby one!
>>>
>> not something to be proud about.
>>
> neither is your occupation.
I just replied to this and then it occurred to me that you probably
think I meant one shouldn't be proud of being a musician. What I meant
was you shouldn't be proud of being close minded or snobby. I consider
myself a musician first and a researcher second and while it ultimately
has no more validity than many other occupations it is nothing to be
ashamed of either. Hope that clears things up.
By the way are you the one who got really uptight about the Jethro
Tull/Charlatans comparison? I never bothered to see who it was. Not that
I mind its quite an amusing diversion to read some of the messages on
this list. Its good to see people getting passionate about things. It
gives me more hope that that enthusiasm can be channelled into something
more productive.
kevin
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:34:33 +0100
From: dbfreeman@mail.cdc.co.uk (Daniel Freeman)
Subject: Re:AAAAUUURRGH, Play nicely everyone.
To everyone,
I have been of this mailing list for one week and it's been shite.
I've had about four messages that I've actually been interested in reading.
(quite an amazing fact, considering this list generates about six millions
messages a day !)
All the rest have been about people being shitty to each other.
Can some one tell me who did what, to who, and why ? because its all very
confusing and can will all try and be nice to each other, and don't slag
people off for what opinions they hold
Thank you and good nite
Danny
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:26:38 -0400
From: Vdrklvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: No Subject
Danny,
I made the mistake of not agreeing with someone on their comparison of the
Charlatans to Jethro Tull... Since then people (not everyone) have been
sending me hate mail... I don't think they know I'm from America (land of the
free opinion)...
So that's what started the little tiff... I have since kept my opinions 2
myself as I don't think it's worth it... I have even since asked 2 be removed
from this mailing list after being sweared at and told I was a tosser
(whatever that means)... I am still on the list so I guess they don't care...
Anyway have a great day!!!! :)~
Peace,
Debi (Vdrklvr@aol.com)
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:28:06 +0100
From: matthew@sar.dra.hmg.gb (Matthew Hayes)
Subject: THE END
NO MORE.
PLEASE END THE USERNAME ARGUMENTS.
OK?
Mat.
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:32:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Heather Watson
Subject: Re: your mail
Good Morning! I am confused as well, these people are off their heads. I
have been on the list for a short time and still need a bit of info so
I'll have to see what kind of a response you get.
Heather
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:06:13 -0400
From: Jim Lowe
Subject: Re: No Subject
I apologize in advance, but this has to be said;
>sending me hate mail... I don't think they know I'm from America (land of the
>free opinion)...
What a load of crap!
jim
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 08:58:25 PDT
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: Re: All the whining
[post removed by request from the author]
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:34:53 -0400
From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: No Subject
> I have even since asked 2 be removed
> from this mailing list I am still on the list so I guess they don't care...
Actually, I think you will find the reason you were not removed was because
you sent you unsubscribe request to the list not to the appropriate place -
not just once but several times. Which incidentally became more than a
little annoying after a while.
However, I do agree that it is a shame you feel you should unsubscribe due
to a few, obvious, idiots sending you hate mail. There is an easier way to
remedy that situation without unsubscribing. Send the hate mail to the
postmaster of the server it came from with a note attatched that you do not
like such harrassment.
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Heather Watson
Subject: Re: All the whining
Can we close this one?
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:20:41 -0400
From: Anne Wong
Subject: don't look back
ok everybody
before everyFREAKINbody gets off this list please stop bickering
pretend these recent "controversial" topics have never been mentioned
and get on with it. come on, just swallow your pride and move on!
it's quite simple. no more AAAARRGGHH mail. plus, the next person who
insists on sticking to this madness has the coodies. ok?
love
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:08:40 -0400
From: Vdrklvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: No Subject
thanks deborah.. i have since decided not 2 b removed because the few people
i have been getting hate mail from aren't worth it... i enjoy reading
everyone's stories and opinions...
anyone see any good concerts lately????
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:17:20 -0400
From: Vdrklvr@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown
let me know if there's anything i can do 2 help... i, myself, just got robbed
on vacation (yeah!) and i am saving up 2 go to england, france and amsterdam
in february... so i know what it's like 2 not have 2 much money...
as far as cd's and concerts - i buy and go all the time... let me know what
you're looking 4... k? i just went 2 see alanys morrisette last nite... i
wasn't sure how it was going 2 b but it was great... that woman can sing!
i also just brought a couple new cd's (hard house, etc.) we're always goin 2
rave parties in nyc... i'm goin 2 one this weekend... i'll let u know how it
was...
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:58:51 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey
Subject: Reading Festival
Sorry about this post having nothing to with The Charlies.
For Sale
======
2 x Tickets for the Reading Rock Festival.
Contact Ben or Gary on 01206 784352
Open to offers.
Do not reply to this email.
Graham...
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:06:02 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey
Subject: Re:
I agree with you, I have only ever sent two posts to this list. They talk a
load of bollox. BUT and this is a big BUT.
It is 20 times better than the fucking blur one. I downloaded mails from
that and unsubscribed immediatley.
Graham...
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:17:41 -0500
From: Nihilist
Subject: Re: All the whining
At 08:58 AM 8/20/96 PDT, you wrote:
>All of these martyrs, and all of this whining, is getting to be more annoying
>than any of the attacks! Just get on with it!
I think it's hilarious.
What's this group about, then?
David
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:38:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Heather Watson
Subject: Re: All the whining
On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Nihilist wrote:
> At 08:58 AM 8/20/96 PDT, you wrote:
> >All of these martyrs, and all of this whining, is getting to be more annoying
> >than any of the attacks! Just get on with it!
>
> I think it's hilarious.
>
> What's this group about, then?
> David
You know, I am so sick of all this and this a bad time for me to be
getting shit mail like this, so would you please move on to something
else? I really don't find any good humor in this what so ever......
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 15:32:43 PDT
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: Re:
[post removed by request from the author]
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:03:58 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN
Subject: Reply to: Re: No Subject
well ihave not seen a good concert in a while but the best shows i have ever
scene were the charlatans uk.......10 and 11 tour moby and the prodigy.......
back a few years ago(i think in 92) the flaming lips.....transmissions from
the satalite heart show james......a year ago bjork........last tour
thanks james
STOP THE FIGHTING
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:56:47 -0400
From: Vdrklvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: No Subject
u r very lucky...i wish the charlatans would come 2 new york so i can see
them...
i luv them!!!!...
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:50:28 -0400
From: ShamanBart@aol.com
Subject: Re: All the whining
Hear, hear! It didn't seem that bad to me. On the other hand, I'm used to
dealing with lawyers everyday who think they haven't done their job unless
they've emotionally disemboweled someone before coffee break.
Hey, XXXXXX, any relation to Ken Stringfellow of the Posies? I just saw them
this weekend at a festival here. Great, high energy band.
Cheer up everyone. Only a few days until the Charlatans single release.
Until then...I will not say "AAAUURGH". Maybe "Hmmmm..."
shamanbart
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:02:53 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re: No Subject
On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 Vdrklvr@aol.com wrote:
> Danny,
>
> I made the mistake of not agreeing with someone on their comparison of the
> Charlatans to Jethro Tull... Since then people (not everyone) have been
> sending me hate mail... I don't think they know I'm from America (land of the
> free opinion)...
> So that's what started the little tiff... I have since kept my opinions 2
> myself as I don't think it's worth it... I have even since asked 2 be removed
> from this mailing list after being sweared at and told I was a tosser
> (whatever that means)... I am still on the list so I guess they don't care...
> Anyway have a great day!!!! :)~
Its a bit scary isn't it? I made the mistake of agreeing with someone
that one or two of their songs DO sound a bit like Jethro Tull and while
I didn't get hate mail exactly there were some heated and uncalled for
comments made. By the way is that comment in parentheses (land of the
free opinion) a joke? I thought opinions were $25 per plus tax unless it
was a legal opinion and then the sky's the limit? (not that I'm
suggesting that Australia is any better, lets not kid ourselves hey?).
Peace to you also
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:07:54 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re: No Subject
On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 Vdrklvr@aol.com wrote:
> thanks deborah.. i have since decided not 2 b removed because the few people
> i have been getting hate mail from aren't worth it... i enjoy reading
> everyone's stories and opinions...
>
> anyone see any good concerts lately????
Yep
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:08:56 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re:
On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:
> I agree with you, Graham. I used to be on the Blur list too. Oh my God,
> it's just poll after stupid poll,(example: who in the group has the best hair?)
> and one pretentious git after another quoting the latest teeny-bopper magazine
> article.
Can you really expect much more through email? There was an interesting
interview with Noam Chomsky about the internet and how it degrades
exchanges because people don't think before they type. His idea seems to
be borne out don't you think? Too many people too quick to access their
computer and not as keen to access their brains maybe? The
dis-information superhighway? The non-information superhighway?
Not totally true because I have found out some interesting things on the
net a lot more rapidly than I would otherwise (being in Perth, the most
isolated capital city in the world - as we are constantly reminded). Mind
is speed of access all that important. It seems we are getting overloaded
with information and consequently have less time to think about it, which
would have to be more important surely? Back to the same point: too quick
to access a computer...
Has the Charlatans album been released in the UK or US yet? Is there a
date? We won't get it here for at least 2 months after anywhere else
unless we want to import it and pay more
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:17:03 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: No Subject
On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, SPROSTON GREEN wrote:
> well ihave not seen a good concert in a while but the best shows i have ever scene were
>
> the charlatans uk.......10 and 11 tour
> moby and the prodigy.......back a few years ago(i think in 92)
> the flaming lips.....transmissions from the satalite heart show
> james......a year ago
> bjork........last tour
A little bit of trivia. I played some guitar for a local techno band
that supported Bjork when she was here in March. Got to meet the band,
her (although she was a bit stand-offish) and Goldie who was much
friendlier. Saw the show twice at a really nice outdoor venue we have
here.
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:51:07 +0100
From: matthew@sar.dra.hmg.gb (Matthew Hayes)
Subject:
A While ago I was looking through this mail order cd place on the internet
and while I was browsing through the charlatans listing, I noticed that
there were two records called 'the charlatans' BY the charlatans.
There was the UK 'The charlatans' which opened with nine acre court, feeling
holy etc.... and apparently a US one called 'The charlatans....(first shag)
with a completely different track listing, none of which I recognised. I
told one of my mates about this and he said that there used to be this
psycadelic band in the sixties also called the charlatans.
Can anybody explain where this record has come from.
Mat
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:01:34 BST
From: sarah clark
Subject: Re: Re: nooo
PLEASE SEND ME A COPY OF YOUR BOOTLEGS LIST TO MY EMAIL ADDRESS:
sc19@york. ac.uk
REALLY AM WANTING A COPY OF ISOLATION, LOST MINE.
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:08:32 BST
From: "fayes@pathology.leeds.ac.uk"
Subject: The White Room
Hi, this is my first post to the list as I only joined recently.
Anyway, I've found an interview with Tim on The White Room's website
from last Friday when they were on - its not very long but its quite
good.
Go to http://www.channel4.com
Faye.
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:37:24 -0400
From: Vdrklvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: No Subject
Kevin,
yeah the opinion thing was a joke... i knew people would get pissed off at me
again (at least the one's with no sense of humor) hehehehehehe
nothing's free here... in fact i've even been robbed 2 times in the past six
months yeah! leg up to america!
i always wanted to go to australia.... tell me about it at vdrklvr@aol.com
don't b a stranger but stay strange....
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 10:13:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: jba076@airmail.net (josh barnett)
Subject: Re:
>A While ago I was looking through this mail order cd place on the internet
>and while I was browsing through the charlatans listing, I noticed that
>there were two records called 'the charlatans' BY the charlatans.
>There was the UK 'The charlatans' which opened with nine acre court, feeling
>holy etc.... and apparently a US one called 'The charlatans....(first shag)
>with a completely different track listing, none of which I recognised. I
>told one of my mates about this and he said that there used to be this
>psycadelic band in the sixties also called the charlatans.
>
>Can anybody explain where this record has come from.
they were a san fran. group back in the sixties. they are the reason why the
uk group you have grown to love added the uk to their name. they were having
a hard time about their name here in the states once some friendly came out.
so for legal reason's and distribution reasons the became 'the charlatans
uk' over here.
josh
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:22:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: tecwritr@wichita.fn.net (John Ball)
Subject: Re: All the whining
Been awhile since I have posted on this list..
was becoming distraught over the fact that it was going into red herring
over actual intelligent discussion. You know the classic ploy of making
personal attacks over inteligent refuting of points.
Then
Famous fredrick and not noticed Noam come out..... Linguists and existentialists
warms my heart to see intelligence prevail......
thank you and may we see tim and co. have the balls to continue touring by
themselves instead of the sell out express w\ Oasis.
Like when Ride turned down the oppertunity to tour with the Rollin Stones
because they have integrity and the sweet sound to make it all the sweeter.
Tim if your listenin do your thing!!!!!!!!!!!!
Play the small clubs like the Blue note in columbia Mo where I last saw and
spoke to you.... It means so much more to us that travel over 6 hours to see
you chaps!!!!!!!
Love of life
life of love
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:14:36 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re: Facts
On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, John Ball wrote:
> Been awhile since I have posted on this list..
>
> was becoming distraught over the fact that it was going into red herring
> over actual intelligent discussion. You know the classic ploy of making
> personal attacks over inteligent refuting of points.
>
> Then
>
> Famous fredrick and not noticed Noam come out..... Linguists and existentialists
> warms my heart to see intelligence prevail......
>
> thank you and may we see tim and co. have the balls to continue touring by
> themselves instead of the sell out express w\ Oasis.
>
> Like when Ride turned down the oppertunity to tour with the Rollin Stones
> because they have integrity and the sweet sound to make it all the sweeter.
>
> Tim if your listenin do your thing!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Play the small clubs like the Blue note in columbia Mo where I last saw and
> spoke to you.... It means so much more to us that travel over 6 hours to see
> you chaps!!!!!!!
>
> Love of life
> life of love
Well how about... "there is no history without nuance and nuance is
open to interpretation." I think that was Norman Mailer that
champion of women's lib and most celebrated of barroom brawlers.
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:07:32 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re: No Subject
On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 Vdrklvr@aol.com wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> yeah the opinion thing was a joke... i knew people would get pissed off at me
> again (at least the one's with no sense of humor) hehehehehehe
>
> nothing's free here... in fact i've even been robbed 2 times in the past six
> months yeah! leg up to america!
>
> i always wanted to go to australia.... tell me about it at vdrklvr@aol.com
>
> don't b a stranger but stay strange....
>
> Hello vdrklvr
Australia hey? Well we have kangaroos roaming the city streets. We eat
prawns and fight giant crocodiles whenever we go swimming. I'm actually a
long term tourist here (12 years now) from England. I've never been
robbed but we do have a State Premier (like your governors) here in
Western Australia who makes Pete Wilson look like a progressive and
although I've never been in his office I'm sure he has a photo of the
Queen next to one of Ronald Reagan kissing Margaret Thatcher. Yes its a bit
of a cowboy state.
Australia is basically a small city on the west coast with great beaches
and a fairly good UK influenced band scene which I am a part of (although
over the last few years the US college rock and grunge sound has taken over
- you may have even heard of Ammonia they toured the US recently and are like
Silverchair). This is Perth: population around 1.5 million. Lots of ex
pat poms.And on the east coast there are two major cities, all bigger,
with slightly dirtier beaches and more mainstream music scenes that are
more obviously US influenced. On the south east coast there is Melbourne
with a mix of music scenes. My favourite city in Australia. I'm finishing
up my research project in 18 months and then I'm off to live in Melbourne
to seek fame and fortune as a musician.
Maybe I'll get the chance to be robbed soon. I'm going to be in the US in
January and Canada from June to August next year. Here's hoping.
Speak to you soon
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:53:47 -0700
From: Patrick Treanor
Subject: Re:
Matthew Hayes wrote:
>
> A While ago I was looking through this mail order cd place on the internet
> and while I was browsing through the charlatans listing, I noticed that
> there were two records called 'the charlatans' BY the charlatans.
> There was the UK 'The charlatans' which opened with nine acre court, feeling
> holy etc.... and apparently a US one called 'The charlatans....(first shag)
> with a completely different track listing, none of which I recognised. I
> told one of my mates about this and he said that there used to be this
> psycadelic band in the sixties also called the charlatans.
>
> Can anybody explain where this record has come from.
check it out Mat, the charlatans that you were speaking of are early
sixties or before, but they are definitly NOT psychedelic!! they sing
some old country/folky junk. one of the tracks is "folsom prison blues"
a Johnny Cash song. in 1995 they re-released a best of deal and I bought
it as a novelty item. either way it kinda sucks. it was recorded in
San Francisco
hope it helps.
pattrik
catscan@earthlink.net
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 23:16:25 -0700
From: Patrick Treanor
Subject: Jethro Tull?
I've been reading all the junk about Jethro Tull sounding like the
Charlatans (or visa/versa), so I had to check it out for myself. I went
to a great local store and they acctually had a "used" Tull best-of Cd
so I popped it in the listening booth cd player, And was quickly
reminded how much I disliked "Aqualung". So I'm skipping through tracks
going "NOPE, NO-WAY, NOPE, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS........." until I came
to a track called "HYMN 49", the sound was unmistakeable, it certainly
had a Charlatans feel going on. I could almost hear Tim singing (weird).
Then of-course Mr.Tull came in and screwed that high up.......
So I say yes and no, and if the Charlies were influenced, they only kept
the good.
Pattrik
catscan@earthlink.net
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 06:26:40 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802"
Subject: Re: No Subject
Went to the cure. I'm not a big Cure fan, but they were impressive. They
played a lot of old stuff, and Robert Smith played a beautiful Gretsch.
-Cresser
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:11:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Heather Watson
Subject: Re: No Subject
Where did you see The Cure? I just saw them in MI, and I thought they
were great, but then again The Cure is a favorite of mine.
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:47:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: W00DST0CK
Subject: Re: Re: Sheer Heresy
On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, trainees wrote:
> (In reply to your message dated Friday 2, August 1996)
> Dear Dan
>
> I know Rob's death was a tragedy, but his playing style was,
> fortunately, very simple on most tracks. I can think of one
> man who could do the job admirably - Clint Boon of Inspiral
> Carpets. If you've not heard them, check them out. Clint
I agree that the inspiral carpets are an excellent band but i think that
they are much more brash and hype than the charlatans and arent the
carpets still together anyway?
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 10:50:33 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802"
Subject: Re: No Subject
I saw the cure here in San Jose (CA) at the Arena. Robert Smith wore a
San Jose Sharks jersey and even sang 'Do you know the Way to San Jose'
It was a good show, but I'm sure it would've been even better if Porl
had been there.
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:57:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: W00DST0CK
Subject: Re: the 'sis bollocks.
I dont know if any one remembers anything about the psychedlic furs, but
they had a couple of hitts way back when and if they didnt all od
somewhere it hink there keyboardist would be excellent. However there
keyboardist may have just been a studio musician cant remember honestly.
Tony
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:03:42 -0400
From: Vdrklvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: No Subject
i think robert smith is great! i luv the cure...
can't wait to see them in nyc
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:06:13 -0400
From: Vdrklvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: the 'sis bollocks.
i remember the phyc furs... they were great...
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:11:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: tecwritr@wichita.fn.net (John Ball)
Subject: the eighties and beyond
>i remember the phyc furs... they were great...
I saw the furs in 92 at UCR in riverside cal. they were awwwwright, but that
new smiths cover that the singers (sorry don't know his name) new band has
is really better than their old stuff.
they do "How soon is now" one of the best smiths songs and great by any
standard, even rob
but come on the cure haven't had a good single since facination street and
evn this fan is getting annoyed by the bad pop. I liked the depth of
wish....edge of the deep....trust....cut.....the end.....open.....doing the
unstuck....amoung others but the singles friday and high were pathetic......
sorry for being so into the eighties
in more related news I liked the desert island and top ten charletans songs
but wondered what covers you out their might like to hear?
no jethro tull songs please
I was thinkin LA women or riders on the storm by jim and the doors
I know their american but they are better than the Aphgan Wiggers
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:46:49 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re: Jethro Tull?
On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Patrick Treanor wrote:
> I've been reading all the junk about Jethro Tull sounding like the
> Charlatans (or visa/versa), so I had to check it out for myself. I went
> to a great local store and they acctually had a "used" Tull best-of Cd
> so I popped it in the listening booth cd player, And was quickly
> reminded how much I disliked "Aqualung". So I'm skipping through tracks
> going "NOPE, NO-WAY, NOPE, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS........." until I came
> to a track called "HYMN 49", the sound was unmistakeable, it certainly
> had a Charlatans feel going on. I could almost hear Tim singing (weird).
> Then of-course Mr.Tull came in and screwed that high up.......
>
> So I say yes and no, and if the Charlies were influenced, they only kept
> the good.
That was my point. The Charlatans are a lot more listenable, better
melodies, better guitar, no flute, but there is a similarity. Mind you
the influence might not be conscious it may be just a coincidence but Tim
and Co are about 28, 29, 30 aren't they? That would mean they would have
just got into listening to music when Jethro Tull were big in England, so
maybe its an unconscious influence (my psych friend tells me there's no
such thing as a "sub-conscious").
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:51:47 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re: No Subject
On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802 wrote:
> Went to the cure. I'm not a big Cure fan, but they were impressive. They
> played a lot of old stuff, and Robert Smith played a beautiful Gretsch.
Ah the Gretsch. I have a 1968 double anniversary special all original
with Bigsby tremelo arm... Great look, not a bad sound for clean chords,
and it was a bargain for Aus$1000 about 6 years ago. Just a bit of
useless trivia to add to the trivia net
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:55:47 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN
Subject: Reply to: the eighties and beyond
id like to hear the charlies do "time for living" by the beasties but slowed
down and in their funky way
james
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:53:31 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN
Subject: Sheer Heresy
what about the boy who played the hamond on the track BIRDMAN by ride......a
real groovey track
james
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 06:01:11 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802"
Subject: Re: No Subject
Sounds like a nice guitar. I think the bigsby looks cool, but cuts the
sustain a little bit. I have a 1967 streamliner all original and a 1979
Broadcaster that looks like a Gretsch, but was made in the 'Baldwin Era'
It sounds a bit like a Gibson ES. I also just bought a Ricky 360s. I'm
looking to buy a Tennesseean or a Country Gentleman like Squire's. Does
anyone know of any floating around?
-
Cresser
P.S. No one ever answered my question- Squire did not degrade himself by
playing with Oasis did he?
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 14:38:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: jba076@airmail.net (josh barnett)
Subject: Re: Reply to: the eighties and beyond
>id like to hear the charlies do "time for living" by the beasties but
slowed down and in their funky way
i would like to hear the charlatans and beastie boys to get together and do
a groove session together. mca has a very nice upright bass.
josh
---------------------------------
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:54:59 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey
Subject: NME Single Reviews
>From www.nme.com
THE CHARLATANS
One To Another
(Beggars Banquet)
"... One more bitter twist in the tragedy of Rob Collins' death is just how
terrific and on form his band are sounding these days. This first peep from
their forthcoming fifth album proves their triumphant Knebworth slot two
weeks back was no emotionally-charged fluke, sounding like prime-time Stone
Roses after a severe duffing up by Black Grape.""
They have a sound sample on line as well.
Graham...
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 21:23:46 -0400
From: JLofing316@aol.com
Subject: Stephan Fenn's daytripper bootlegs (message by James)
How do I reach you James?! I desperately want those daytripper bootlegs with
Ride and the Charlatans and I don't know how to get to your private e-mail
address. Please leave a message for me or something so I can get in touch
with you. Thank-you!!
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 23:34:42 -0400
From: ShamanBart@aol.com
Subject: Any news from the Front?
I'm interested in hearing from any of you who attended the Chelmsford and/or
Reading fests. How 'bout a top ten performances list, eh?
Happy gig trippin to you all. Don't eat the orange acid.
sb
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 15:51:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rahul Krisnaswamy
Subject: looking for Charlatans DATs
Hi, I'm looking to trade live stuff by the Charlatans, Ride, house of
Love, Bluetones, many others. Have much to offer, please send lists.
Thank you.
-Rahul
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 20:30:18 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN
Subject: Reply to: Stephan Fenn's daytripper bootlegs (message by James)
james who im a james and i have hotlicks on vynil...are ou talking to me
james
sproston_green@wow.com
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:46:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: jasper@inlink.com (SmilingJudy)
Subject: Re: nooo
Hi!
I forgot I had this, but I had saved it from the charlie's list.
>Here's what I have at the moment:
>
>
> Brighton Daytripper 1993
>
Do you have boots of the charlie's and ride at the Daytripper? I'd be very
interested in getting a copy of that. I don't have much to offer in the
form of charlie trade...just your basic stuff like Hot Licks, Isolation,
etc... and the Some Friendly video. But I have lots of ride and access to
more if you are interested in those. Or I could pay cash if none of that
interests you.
Please let me know if you want to work something out.
thanks,
kim :)
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:47:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: jasper@inlink.com (SmilingJudy)
Subject: Re: nooo
Sorry about that everyone!
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:32:51 +0000
From: owen.oconnor@ocos.ie (Owen O'Connor)
Subject: Get us of this list
Please, please please get us off this list!
It is blocking up our mailbox
O'Connor O'Sullivan Ltd
52 Northumberland Road,
Ballsbridge,
Dublin 4.
Ireland.
Telephone: + 353 1 6682833.
Fax: + 353 1 6682297.
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 11:49:59 PDT
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: Re: Get us of this list
[post removed by request from author]
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:44:28 -0400
From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans)
Subject: Re: Reply to: the eighties and beyond
>id like to hear the charlies do "time for living" by the beasties but
slowed down and in their funky way
Okay I have to ask the a very stupid question to the list based on this
email. I'm not a beastie boys fan so I have no idea, but, the song "time
for livin'" on the HELP album is this the song that was made reference to
here???? I'm guessing it obviously was and with that thought in mind how
different was the charlatans version to the original. Like I said I'm not a
beastie boys fan - in fact I think they are utter rubbish.
As an aside, I just saw the manics play in Toronto this weekend, and they
were amazing. I think I rate them in my top 5 all time favourite live shows
ever. And they even did a cover of "take the skinheads bowling" but sadly
only 3 older songs.
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:13:10 -0700
From: Sigurd Sigmundssen
Subject: newsgroup
I recently signed up for the Charlatans UK mailing list and am curious
whether there is a corresponding newsgroup at which I can point my
browser to get a "feeling" for the group before posting. My main
interest here is discussing the lyrics, which I like the sound of but
never really understand.
Thanks,
Sigurd.
-----------------------------------
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:59:52 +0200
From: Eirik Gudmundsen
Subject: Re: Reply to: the eighties and beyond
deborah evans wrote:
> Okay I have to ask the a very stupid question to the list based on this
> email. I'm not a beastie boys fan so I have no idea, but, the song "time
> for livin'" on the HELP album is this the song that was made reference to
> here????
In fact, it isn't that "Time For Livin" song The Charlatans cover on the Help
album. That is a Sly & Family Stone song which I've not heard the original of
actually. Anyway, the Beastie Boys' "Time For Living", is one of their more
punkish songs on the "Check Your Head" album. It's cool, but it's definetely
nothing like Sly's "Time For Livin".
Sigurd Sigmundssen wrote:
> I recently signed up for the Charlatans UK mailing list and am curious
> whether there is a corresponding newsgroup at which I can point my
> browser to get a "feeling" for the group before posting. My main
> interest here is discussing the lyrics, which I like the sound of but
> never really understand.
Hi, and welcome to the list. There is actually a newsgroup for the Charlatans,
but it isn't visited too much. It's on alt.music.charlatans . If you can't
find it, you have to ask your newsserver to get it on your menu. All of you
should go there.
At last there is also a news message. 109, the Charlatans free info service,
has put out the new issue of their very informative fan magazine. It's issue 16.
If you want it, you just have to send a large SAE inc 2xIRC for overseas to
"109" PO Box 94, Northwich, CW9 5TS.
I also saw the new video by the Charlatans, and it was excellent. Rob behind
the piano like he used to. I'm happy they did record that video before he
died. The song is a killer!!! I'm so happy..
Cheers, Eirik.
NB! check out my homepage as well, for news or other things. I am updating it
quite often now. http://www.ifi.uio.no/~eirikg/Charlatans.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:16:29 +0100
From: Michael Hutchinson
Sunject: New Single
Has anyone bought the new single yet? - what are the B sides like ?
ROB.
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:01:11 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey
Subject: Re: New Single
>Has anyone bought the new single yet? - what are the B sides like ?
They are fuckin tops.
Graham...
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:34:54 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN
Subject: Reply to: Re: Reply to: the eighties and beyond
time for living was a song the beastie boys did on ill communication
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:23:57 +0100
From: Neil Myers
Subject: Re: Get me off this postinglist... - Reply
Are you surprised people want off, having their mailboxes
filled up with stupid, brain-dead requests? For Christ's
sake, can't these people do anything right?
Now, is everybody sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin.
If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,
you can send mail to "Majordomo@stud2.misjonshs.no" with the following
command in the body of your email message:
unsubscribe charlatans [E-mail address]
Understand?
Let's hope we've seen the last of these time-wasters ;-)
Love, peace & unity.
Neil ;-)
P.S. I don't want to unsubscribe!
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 19:41:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: jba076@airmail.net (josh barnett)
Subject: Re: Reply to: the eighties and beyond
>>id like to hear the charlies do "time for living" by the beasties but
>slowed down and in their funky way
>
>Okay I have to ask the a very stupid question to the list based on this
>email. I'm not a beastie boys fan so I have no idea, but, the song "time
>for livin'" on the HELP album is this the song that was made reference to
>here???? I'm guessing it obviously was and with that thought in mind how
>different was the charlatans version to the original. Like I said I'm not a
>beastie boys fan - in fact I think they are utter rubbish.
the beastie boys 'time for livin' is not the same as the charlatans from
help. that is a sly and the family stone cover. if you think the beastie
boys are utter rubbish give 'the in sounds from way out' a listen.
josh
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:53:17 -0700
From: Patrick Treanor
Subject: Rush
I didn't hear the similarity between rush & the bluetones, but I think
it's unanimous that John from CAST definitly sounks like Getty Lee
(hope I spelled it right)
Pattrik
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:52:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert
Subject: Re: Rush
> John from CAST definitly sounks like Getty Lee
>(hope I spelled it right)
Sorry, no. But it's GEDDY Lee. Lemme guess, I'm the only person on this list
who likes RUSH.
Hey, I'm from Canada kay? A teenage rockon who grew up eventually. If yer a
teenage rockon from Canada, yer can never give up RUSH (albeit the Charlies
are and always will be the best)
Cheers!
DAVE
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Heather Watson
Subject: Re: Rush
My appreciation for RUSH started years ago, I think that I was the only 9
year old who listened to them and actually loved their music. I was
particularly fond of 2112.
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 08:40:49 PDT
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: Re: Rush
[post removed by request from author]
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 13:42:16 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802"
Subject: RE: Rush
Unanimous? No, I don't think Rush fits in anywhere. Geddy Lee is a wannabe
Robert Plant. If you say the Bluetones' voice sounds like Robert Plant, I
think I can hear where you're comin' from. That Rush drummer-Niel Pert is
too overated. I think Reni and John Brookes are miles ahead of him.
-Cresser
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:53:57 +0900
From: Gregory
Subject: Re: Rush
>p.s. There's this one tennis player from Australia who looks a lot like Tim
>Burgess.
I hope you don't mean Mark Phillipousos ? (though by saying this I guess I
am in fact agreeeing with you).
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:59:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert
Subject: Oasis breakup?
I just heard that Oasis has broken up.
What happened, was the rest of the band getting annoyed with Yoko?
Cheers!
DAVE
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert
Subject: RE: Rush
At 13:42 28/08/96 PDT, you wrote:
>Unanimous? No, I don't think Rush fits in anywhere. Geddy Lee is a wannabe
>Robert Plant. If you say the Bluetones' voice sounds like Robert Plant, I
>think I can hear where you're comin' from. That Rush drummer-Niel Pert is
>too overated. I think Reni and John Brookes are miles ahead of him.
Hmmm. I think that comparing Reni or Brookes with Neil Peart is a bit off.
Completely different types of music, and Peart is more of an overall
percussionist than a drummer.
Hey, Rush isn't that bad. They've done Canada more proud than Alanis "I'll
live and record to the States but still call myself Canadian" Morrishit.
Cheers!
DAVE
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:56:44 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics
Subject: Re: Oasis breakup?
On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, David Reichert wrote:
> I just heard that Oasis has broken up.
Oh please please tell me its true
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:10:16 +0200
From: Eirik Gudmundsen
Subject: Re: Oasis breakup?
hi!
Oasis hasn't broken up. Liam just said he wanted to stay home to move into a
new house, and Noel just said "go on, and come to America when you're ready".
Liam isn't therefore joining the rest of the band on their US tour. Nothing
more dramatic than that. But if Liam would quit or get fired, I doubt very
much it would brake up the band. Noel IS the band, so unfortunate for some
and good for others, Oasis is still running.....
Cheers, Eirik
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:21:39 +0900
From: Gregory
Subject: Re: Oasis breakup?
Tokyo FM had 15 minutes of OASIS this afternoon and finished the set by
saying the word from England was that OASIS had split up and they were
waiting for the official word. Dire Straits fans everywhere are likely to be
offing themselves.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:55:11 +0000
From: TAMEJC
Subject: Re: Oasis breakup?
Liam was on the news this morning, and he is flying out to the USA to
join the rest of the band
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:19:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Heather Watson
Subject: Re: Oasis breakup?
No they did not. I am going to see them this Friday. Liam wasn't at the
Chicago show, but he said that he would play Detroit.
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