There are 78 messages totalling 1710 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Odd things. Strange day, going to get worse. 2. Charlatans info (or lack thereof) (2) 3. A load of crap 4. wise words (9) 5. More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers (13) 6. You guys rock. (3) 7. more questions. 8. smart music tastes 9. Viva CREAM (4) 10. R&R (3) 11. life is sweet 12. Birthday Greetings 13. Quotes? 14. cummings?? (3) 15. Happy Birthday Tim (2) 16. canadian (7) 17. Some friendly video (3) 18. brands (15) 19. happy birthday 20. brands and Crashin' In 21. Levi deals. 22. Good day 23. Life under the influence of the Charlatans 24. Bob's yer Uncle 25. Recent Boots --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 11:33:24 +0100 From: Dale Winton* To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Digest version of the list, send your request to: then-request@lysator.liu.seSubject: Odd things. Strange day, going to get worse. I really do wonder what the world is coming to when I read the piles of incoherent babble (I think that best describes it) that some people have written on this fan page thing. It is a sorry state of affairs but then again, none of you are going to live in L8 next year and have your garden wall covered in broken glass and razor wire. It's a good show when you see that there are wire cages all over the windows and the kids across the road try and shoot you with there air rifles. Anyone out there live in Moss Side or Hansworth? So once again LONG LIVE DANCE, ACUTALLY HARD HOUSE. Goodbye ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:24:42 +0100 (BST) From: "H.Ismail" Subject: Re: Charlatans info (or lack thereof) Jen! Are you missing out on Between 10th and 11th, the second album? Go and buy it NOW! Han ---------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:36:05 GMT0 From: "WE STAND WHERE THE RIVER BENDS, I HOPE WE FALL IN..." Subject: A load of crap Sorry to say this but really you are all talking a load of crap of late. Tim Burgess is a babe how dare anyone slag him off. Anyway nowt to do with the Charlies.... but has anyone on read Ecstasy by Irvine Welsh? Our Kid. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 08:56:51 -0400 (EDT) From: kclair@sas.upenn.edu (Kristina Clair) Subject: > Hello, > My name is Dale Winton (not the popular tv star), and I am promoting the use > of good hard house music for r&r. > By listening to music of a bpm of about 130-150, the brain is stimulated by > the release of endorphins and so a state of pleasure is reached. This is not > achived by Indie. Okay, here is something I am completely ignorant about - house vs indie. Would anyone care to elaborate? Names of bands that I might be able to find here in the US might help, as well. > If any of you want to go to a decent club up north, then email me and I > will send you the infomation you want. > So, long live the club movement, and start listening to decent music. > > Goodbye ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 9:39:17 -0400 (EDT) From: JLOWE@GC1.GEORCOLL.ON.CA Subject: Re: wise words 1) Can we stop talking about 2-Unlimited and Cream? 2) The 60's (not 70's) rock band Cream were very good...you should open your mind beyond what the press tells you is cool. The charlatans owe a heavy debt to guitar bands like Cream (Eric Clapton, Ginger Evans & someone else). jim ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 96 15:07:18 BST From: "M.D.Bridger-95" Subject: Damn You Dale Winton! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:19:40 +0300 (EET DST) From: Mikko Paila Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers On Wed, 29 May 1996, John Ball wrote: > I have also givin that disc some spinnin but I would argue that the best cut > is portisheads "morning air" an increadiblely moving piece of work that > brings a tear to this Pisces' eye. But I'm a Dummy like that.... Yeah, yeah, but let's not forget Massive attack from the same album. -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:56:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Deborah Subject: Re: wise words > 2) The 60's (not 70's) rock band Cream were very good...you should open > your mind beyond what the press tells you is cool. The charlatans owe > a heavy debt to guitar bands like Cream (Eric Clapton, Ginger Evans & someone > else). right since i mentioned the 1960s band cream i have one comment i hope that remark above - about opening my mind beyond what the press tells you is cool - was not directed at me. since if it was that was quite rude becasue i do not like half the bands coming out of the uk these days. if i listened to the press i'd be buying up menswear (which unfortunately the charlatans really like and respect i know that for a fact), bis, nancy boy, etc. fortunately for myself i do have an independent mind and that is why i like bands like the longpigs, seefeel, loops, 60ft dolls, gorky's zygotic mynci, the pale saints, mbv, and spiritualized. bands that rarely get the press they deserve. as for liking bands dubbed by the press as "where it is at" i only like 2 of them - the bluetons and super furry animals. oops make that 3 i like dubstar as well. so i do have a mind of my own and i was usuing it when i said i do not like the band cream of the 1960s. the same way you were using it when you said you like that particular band. after all we are all allowed to have our own opinions aren't we. it was people who slagged off others opinions is the reson i got off other lists from some of my favourite bands (like the paul weller list, pulp list, and suede list). it would be really nice if this list could be thought of as one of the best that discussed music, the band, their influences, ect without any personal stabs - like the drone on list(spiritualized/spaecman3/ride/etc) and the smiths/morriessey list. right now if that was not directed at me at least i got that off my chest. and i will appologize if i misread your comments and took them too personally. so before you send me a nasty "flame" you have my appology if i am wrong - he i'll admit my mistakes so that has to count for something right? deborah --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:57:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Deborah Subject: Re: wise words On Wed, 29 May 1996 JLOWE@GC1.GEORCOLL.ON.CA wrote: > 1) Can we stop talking about 2-Unlimited and Cream? > 2) The 60's (not 70's) rock band Cream were very good...you should open > your mind beyond what the press tells you is cool. The charlatans owe > a heavy debt to guitar bands like Cream (Eric Clapton, Ginger Evans & someone > else). oh yeah i forgot to ad that they also owne dance music (well certain members of the band do anyway) trust me on this. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 14:18:42 -0400 (EDT) From: JLOWE@GC1.GEORCOLL.ON.CA Subject: Re: wise words Hi, Deborah. Sorry if my "open your mind" comment seemed a little snarky...my alergies are acting up today...putting me in a rather foul mood! Anyway, I do hope that you give Cream (the 60's version) a second chance. While I wouldn't call myself a fan, the guitar work on many of their songs pretty much revoloutionized rock, and had a heavy influence on early-to-mid 70's Rolling Stones material which, of course, is a major influence on the Charlatans. Also, if you're a fan of the Bluetones, you might enjoy some of Cream's lighter stuff; it has that same, mellow Byrds type sound that the Bluetones do so well. Cheers! jim -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 14:35:30 -0400 From: Sproston Green Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers At 07:19 PM 5/29/96 +0300, you wrote: > >On Wed, 29 May 1996, John Ball wrote: > >> I have also givin that disc some spinnin but I would argue that the best cut >> is portisheads "morning air" an increadiblely moving piece of work that >> brings a tear to this Pisces' eye. But I'm a Dummy like that.... > >Yeah, yeah, but let's not forget Massive attack from the same album. i hate to admit it but i'm keen on the skinhead oconnor tune. 'adnan' and 'time for livin' are tops though. now did all the artists record on the same day or did they all record their cuts in one day? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:14:37 +0100 (BST) From: "SC. Barrie" Subject: Re: wise words > 1) Can we stop talking about 2-Unlimited and Cream? > 2) The 60's (not 70's) rock band Cream were very good...you should open > your mind beyond what the press tells you is cool. The charlatans owe > a heavy debt to guitar bands like Cream (Eric Clapton, Ginger Evans & someone > else). > > jim Who said we were talking about the rock band Cream? I actually like them. I was slagging off people who use this mailing list to discuss, I think, the club "Cream" in Liverpool. What the hell does that have to do with the Charlies? Tim may indeed possess some dance music, but I couldn't give a flying fuck. Also, what does living in Moss Side or Toxteth, etc, have to do with music preferences? Scott. ----------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:52:22 -0400 (EDT) From: David Reichert Subject: Re: wise words At 09:39 AM 5/29/96 -0400, you wrote: >1) Can we stop talking about 2-Unlimited and Cream? >2) The 60's (not 70's) rock band Cream were very good...you should open >your mind beyond what the press tells you is cool. The charlatans owe >a heavy debt to guitar bands like Cream (Eric Clapton, Ginger Evans, Baker, not Evans, Baker! & someone >else). Jack Bruce. (fucking figures, everyone always forgets the bass player. Martin Blunt is my hero! Can you tell that I'm a bass player too?) > >jim DAVE ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:54:11 -0700 From: jhowe@ccinet.ab.ca (Jen Howe) Subject: You guys rock. Wow, What a fun mailing list this is. Thanks to everyone who bombarded me with so much Charlies info. Because I live in Northern Canada, it's so hard to find any decent cd's. So, on all of your advice, I am getting "Between 10th & 11th" sent up to me by a friend England. Also, because I'm going crazy living in the nearly isolated Northern Canadian Wilderness, my best friend and I are moving to England in October. Maybe that way I can actually see the Charlies perform. I know, it's a bit sad to move to a different country just because you like the music, but I'm just that kind of girl. Since my friend and I know next to nobody there, and have no idea where the fun places are to go, all suggestions/invitations are welcome! We're very fun girls, you know. Anyways, keep the Charlies info coming in. I can't get enough. Jen ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:16:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Deborah Subject: Re: You guys rock. jen, no are you insane having between 10th and 11ths ent to you from england. you will have to pay far too much money. like around $35 - $40 with the exchange rate. it will cost about 15pounds and figure in a 2.14 exchange rate (at least that is what it was when i changed money on the weekend) plust postage of about 5pounds (i had a cd sent to me and that was what my friend paid). any record shop (ie sams or sunrise even - i'm sure they are in northern canada) will have it for under $25. plus i often see it at used record shops. and if you want information on things to do in england write to the british tourist authority in toronto. it is on avenue road. get them to send you a "central london nightlife guide" regards, deb -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 22:45:29 BST From: James Wilson Subject: Re: wise words > right now if that was not directed at me at least i got that off my > chest. and i will appologize if i misread your comments and took them > too personally. so before you send me a nasty "flame" you have my > appology if i am wrong - he i'll admit my mistakes so that has to count > for something right? > > deborah deborah darling, calm down. take it easy. cadbury's caramel and all that (english tv joke, for those of you in canada & elsewhere) live life and love the charlatans. luv willyxxx ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 22:48:42 BST From: James Wilson Subject: more questions. > Sorry to say this but really you are all talking a load of crap of late. > > Tim Burgess is a babe how dare anyone slag him off. > > Anyway nowt to do with the Charlies.... but has anyone on read Ecstasy by > Irvine Welsh? > > Our Kid. dear our kid, i haven't rad Ecstacy, is it good???? that is the first question. second is......did i see that are in Luton. bloody hell, that's where i come from.....only at York for uni. luv willyxxx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ujwal J Pyati Subject: Re: smart music tastes Me living in the US of A, I don't have many opportunities to see the Charlies in concert. How are they? I would imagine them to be pretty awesome, and would welcome any guesses on when they'll be coming to Southern California, preferably San Diego. Someone has my "Up to Our Hips"CD and it's pissing me off... -Ujwal Pyati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:17:16 -0800 From: Cassandra Frankos Subject: Re: Viva CREAM John Ball wrote: > I think that buy making music a dicotomy you fail to realize the importance > of our beloved charlie's. The whole concept behind the charletans, ride and > the roses is the idea that house and the charlies are separate shows you > lack of depth. Listen to feel flows (Jesus hairdo) it screams HOUSE of the > deepest persuation. Is it coincidence that it was the opening song for the > live show? I'm talkin off the wax, it brought the crowd up to the level they > wanted and then they were there.....AHHHH.... but does that detract from the > hundereds of times I have sunk to a bass heavy groove in some warehouse in > god knows where? No. I would no sooner give one for the other. To limit > yourself to only indie or only white lable is to reduce your potential for > enlightenment.... > > 2 4 2> YES YES YES!!! Amen to the above words! I dj at an indie club and just last night I played Jesus Hairdo for all the smart people to dance to. (I was wearing my tiny Charlatans t-shirt as well) Speaking of Feel Flows, that was one of my favorite tracks as soon as I bought Up to Our Hips- oh that groove...reminds me of San Francisco... Cassandra ---------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:29:36 -0800 From: Cassandra Frankos Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers Mikko Paila wrote: > > On Wed, 29 May 1996, John Ball wrote: > > > I have also givin that disc some spinnin but I would argue that the best cut > > is portisheads "morning air" an increadiblely moving piece of work that > > brings a tear to this Pisces' eye. But I'm a Dummy like that.... > > Yeah, yeah, but let's not forget Massive attack from the same album. And Lucky by Radiohead is pretty brilliant, and the Stereo MCs track is rather grooving.... ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 23:16:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Deborah Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers On Wed, 29 May 1996, Cassandra Frankos wrote: > Mikko Paila wrote: > > > > On Wed, 29 May 1996, John Ball wrote: > > > > > I have also givin that disc some spinnin but I would argue that the best cut > > > is portisheads "morning air" an increadiblely moving piece of work that > > > brings a tear to this Pisces' eye. But I'm a Dummy like that.... > > > > Yeah, yeah, but let's not forget Massive attack from the same album. > > And Lucky by Radiohead is pretty brilliant, and the Stereo MCs track > is rather grooving.... OKAY WELL MY vote is for the manics "raindrops keep falling on my head" the smokin' mojo filter's "come together" and suede's "shipbuilding" ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 03:22:49 -0500 (CDT) From: tecwritr@wichita.fn.net (John Ball) Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers >On Wed, 29 May 1996, Cassandra Frankos wrote: > >> Mikko Paila wrote: >> > >> > On Wed, 29 May 1996, John Ball wrote: >> > >> > > I have also givin that disc some spinnin but I would argue that the best cut >> > > is portisheads "morning air" an increadiblely moving piece of work that >> > > brings a tear to this Pisces' eye. But I'm a Dummy like that.... >> > >> > Yeah, yeah, but let's not forget Massive attack from the same album. >> >> And Lucky by Radiohead is pretty brilliant, and the Stereo MCs track >> is rather grooving.... >> >OKAY WELL MY vote is for the manics "raindrops keep falling on my head" >the smokin' mojo filter's "come together" and suede's "shipbuilding" JASON Ball wrote; Yeah I have to give propers to Mikko Paila, you got the savior faire down my friend I also gravitate toward massive attack. Heard they went off at glastonbury last year. 13 hours? and i thought the 10 hour orb set at woodstock was "massive"!!! I have to say that lucky falls short of high and dry" and is not even in the same legue as "just" which just happens to be haunting me in about a hundered different ways of late. I have been diaganosted with the bends and it's medicine that is good and good for you. but I know this is the charlies thing so i cant even be bothered with these other brit pop bands although I do love to stir it up, why limit yourself? 2 4 2 fookin weirdo> -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:01:26 EET From: "SAARA VaeKEVae" Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers On Wed, 29 May 1996, Cassandra Frankos wrote: >> Mikko Paila wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 29 May 1996, John Ball wrote: >>> >>>> I have also givin that disc some spinnin but I would argue that the best cut >>>> is portisheads "morning air" an increadiblely moving piece of work that >>>> brings a tear to this Pisces' eye. But I'm a Dummy like that.... >>> >>> Yeah, yeah, but let's not forget Massive attack from the same album. >> >> And Lucky by Radiohead is pretty brilliant, and the Stereo MCs track >> is rather grooving.... > > OKAY WELL MY vote is for the manics "raindrops keep falling on my head" > the smokin' mojo filter's "come together" and suede's "shipbuilding" SUEDE'S SHIPBUILDING IS THE BEST TRACK NO DOUBT! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:44:10 +0100 From: Dale Winton Subject: R&R O.k. Everyone in the middle of exams? Right, I think it's time to go to the Que Club in B'ham. It's still raining up north, a bit like down south I suppose. Anyway, it's better than having tidal waves breaking all over the place. RECOMENDED ALBUM OF THE WEEK: TRADE VOLUME 2. A 3cd/tape mix from "record selectors", 'Tall' Paul Newman, Ian M and Alan Thomson. CURRENT FAVE SINGLE: THE BOX by ORBITAL/PEARLS GIRL and BORN SLIPPY by UNDERWORLD WATCH OUT FOR: VICIOUS CIRCLES by POLTERGEIST. Released on Manifesto on 24th Jun, U by DJ SCOTT on UMD records. Sai Ram Goodbye --------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 20:38:14 +1000 (EST) From: kate mccarthy Subject: life is sweet okay so here in australia there's a microsoft ad. with the intro to chem. bros' 'life is sweet' as the soundtrack. eerie! so i presume everyone else has it overseas too? and there's another ad. here with a portishead s'track which i think is for cars or photocopiers or somethink. just thought you might be interested... and thanks to the discussions on this list about '10th and 11th' i listened to it again today for the first time in years. what a champion effort! i can't believe i neglected it for so long. how cool are 'page one' and 'tremelo song'! and then i figured what the hey and put on 'jesus hairdo' and man, is that song rockin'! can't believe i've just been rotating 'some friendly', 'over rising' and 'me. in time' for so long! what a mental. okay that's all. kate. ---------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:31:26 BST From: James Wilson Subject: Re: Viva CREAM > > 2 4 2> > YES YES YES!!! Amen to the above words! I dj at an indie club and just > last night I played Jesus Hairdo for all the smart people to dance to. > (I was wearing my tiny Charlatans t-shirt as well) Speaking of Feel > Flows, that was one of my favorite tracks as soon as I bought Up to > Our Hips- oh that groove...reminds me of San Francisco... > > Cassandra i'm sure you look lovely in your tiny Charlatans t-shirt. . i used to dj at an indie club back home (bedfordshire), and everyone loved the charlies. i especially like madchester....but that's coz that's the music i grew up on. seeya willyxxx ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:04:56 +0100 (BST) From: "H.Ismail" Subject: Birthday Greetings Tim's 29 today. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TIM!!!!!! I think it's worth celebrating. Han -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:09:20 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M P Donnelly Subject: Re: R&R Sort it out, this is a Charlatan's mailing list, not a forum for you to advertise rather poor dance clubs. Long live the Charlies ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:08:07 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M P Donnelly Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers On Wed, 29 May 1996, Cassandra Frankos wrote: > Mikko Paila wrote: > > > > On Wed, 29 May 1996, John Ball wrote: > > > > > I have also givin that disc some spinnin but I would argue that the best cut > > > is portisheads "morning air" an increadiblely moving piece of work that > > > brings a tear to this Pisces' eye. But I'm a Dummy like that.... > > > > Yeah, yeah, but let's not forget Massive attack from the same album. > > And Lucky by Radiohead is pretty brilliant, and the Stereo MCs track > is rather grooving.... Sorry but i thought that the Stereo Mcs tune was a bit poor, the Terrorvision one was good though ---------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:13:47 +0300 (EET DST) From: Mikko Paila Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers On Wed, 29 May 1996, Sproston Green wrote: > 'time for livin' are tops though. now did all the artists record on the same > day or did they all record their cuts in one day? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I remember that the whole album was put together in one week, so... Most songs were recorded "live". I just read the inlet of the CD and it says that all songs were recorded on the same day in different locations. That one week thing was that they started on monday and CD was available after that week. (I think) Aaaah, what? Milkki. ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:25:38 +0300 (EET DST) From: Mikko Paila Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers On Wed, 29 May 1996, Cassandra Frankos wrote: > > > I have also givin that disc some spinnin but I would argue that the best cut > > > is portisheads "morning air" an increadiblely moving piece of work that > > > brings a tear to this Pisces' eye. But I'm a Dummy like that.... > > > > Yeah, yeah, but let's not forget Massive attack from the same album. > > And Lucky by Radiohead is pretty brilliant, and the Stereo MCs track > is rather grooving.... I think Stereo MC piece is a bit dull compared to their first LP. Milkki. -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:35:19 +0300 (EET DST) From: Mikko Paila Subject: Quotes? Would it be possible for you people to quote just the bit you are answering/commenting? It's fustrating to read 1 1/2 pages of quote and then half line commenting it. The other thing is that I have 1 finmk/MB charge in unix... Love, milkki. -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 19:03:38 +0100 (BST) From: "H.Ismail" Subject: cummings?? I'm having this weird feeling that my last message on this subject didn't get through. Sorry if I'm repeating myself!! Someone asked about the line "Not even the rain has such small hands" I just wanted to point out that it comes from the last line of a fantastic poem by e.e.cummings who Tim (and me!!) really loves. The last two lines are: "The voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses Nobody not even the rain has such small hands" If anyone wants me to post the whole poem let me know. Han ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:12:30 MST From: MERRILEE WOLSEY Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers will someone please tell me how to get off this list exactly. i emailed erik's brother b4 and that was supposed to do it but i'm still on the list and it's been two weeks. ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:25:44 -0800 From: Cassandra Frankos Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers > On Wed, 29 May 1996, Cassandra Frankos wrote: > > > Mikko Paila wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 29 May 1996, John Ball wrote: > > > > > > > I have also givin that disc some spinnin but I would argue that the best cut > > > > is portisheads "morning air" an increadiblely moving piece of work that > > > > brings a tear to this Pisces' eye. But I'm a Dummy like that.... > > > > > > Yeah, yeah, but let's not forget Massive attack from the same album. > > > > And Lucky by Radiohead is pretty brilliant, and the Stereo MCs track > > is rather grooving.... > > > OKAY WELL MY vote is for the manics "raindrops keep falling on my head" > the smokin' mojo filter's "come together" and suede's "shipbuilding" > > SUEDE'S SHIPBUILDING IS THE BEST TRACK NO DOUBT! Okay, someone told me that Elvis Costello did "Shipbuilding" and it was originally some old war song...I have no idea, I plead ignorance, I know this isn't charlatans related, but does anyone know? Cassandra ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 19:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Deborah Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers > Okay, someone told me that Elvis Costello did "Shipbuilding" and it > was originally some old war song...I have no idea, I plead ignorance, > I know this isn't charlatans related, but does anyone know? > > Cassandra i don't know about it being an old way song, could be. but, yes it is a cover of costello. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:13:25 GMT+1000 From: "Nicole" Subject: Happy Birthday Tim hey have just reclaimed my "Between 10th and 11th" CD and my fave as of now is "Weirdo" -> it's pretty innovative in comparison to their songs on the latest CD... but really i think most of their music is ace. i'm also a recent fan -> as of last November, and have since bought all the CDs I can find over here. and will now be buying the some friendly video ASAP who writes most of the lyrics? they seem obscure to me, and I have found that most of my theories on the meanings of the songs on 'the charlatans" were off the mark (after reading Eirik's website's interview with Tim about the CD). i know it's a lowly topic to bring up, but i haven't read much about tim and sarah cracknell (st etienne) -> how long did they go out for? has everyone seen the sweet video clip they did together for a st etienne song (the name escapes me)? Cheers Nicole ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:17:20 GMT+1000 From: "Nicole" Subject: Charlatans info (or lack thereof) >Actullay dave I had the good fortune to meet and talk with Tim (the >singer) at a show in Columbia MO. hey john! so what is timmy like? please give us an identikit... Cheers Nicole --------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 06:07:59 -0400 From: Anne Wong Subject: canadian hey guys this is conny just wondering if anybody knows of an upcoming tour especially to canada (i missed the last one) then people like me and jen howe (just how north are you?!) can see them too. i haven't been on for awhile so i was just wondering if shane and kari are still taking songs for the top 5 list. anyways, are there any cheap but cool charlatans t-shirt mail orders that anybody knows of that are reliable and quick? i haven't seen any in toronto. xxx conny i really like teenage fanclub, radiohead, blur, mbv, lush, a bunch of smaller canadian groups (are there any famous in the uk?), and a whole mix ranging from rancid to the monkees(!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:59:02 -0700 From: jhowe@ccinet.ab.ca (Jen Howe) Subject: Re: canadian That would be great if they came to Canada sometime before October (but I doubt it). I would be willing to drive for 4 days to see them. Now a question for all you Brits; how often do they play over there, are the venues really big (I suppose that's a relative term), and are people really obnoxious at gigs? I don't mind dancing and pogo-ing, but I hate crowd surfers. It's worse when you're 6'2, because then you're pretty much guaranteed to get at least a dozen blows to the head by somebody's boots. Oh, and Conny, I live in Fort McMurray, which is about 4.5 hours north of Edmonton. It's not /that/ north, I suppose, but it sure seems like it when you're that far away from the closest city. But the huskies sure do like the spring. They don't have to work as hard to get to our igloo :) Jen -------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:09:34 PDT From: Simon Amor Subject: Re: Viva CREAM On Thu, 30 May 1996 11:31:26 BST James Wilson wrote: > > > 2 4 2> > > YES YES YES!!! Amen to the above words! I dj at an indie club and just > > last night I played Jesus Hairdo for all the smart people to dance to. > > (I was wearing my tiny Charlatans t-shirt as well) Speaking of Feel > > Flows, that was one of my favorite tracks as soon as I bought Up to > > Our Hips- oh that groove...reminds me of San Francisco... > > > > Cassandra > > i'm sure you look lovely in your tiny Charlatans t-shirt. . > i used to dj at an indie club back home (bedfordshire), and everyone loved the charlies. > i especially like madchester....but that's coz that's the music i grew up on. > > seeya willyxxx If you like your Madchester then get down to Hallelujah at Leeds Uni every other week until the end of June, they play the Charlies, Roses, Inspirals, you name it, if its Madchester they'll play it. See you all there! Simon ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:39:49 +0200 From: Eirik Gudmundsen Subject: Re: canadian > hey guys this is conny > > just wondering if anybody knows of an upcoming tour > especially to canada (i missed the last one) > then people like me and jen howe (just how north are you?!) > can see them too. Hi conny. There's little going on around the Charlatans right now, but one date has been announced (18th of August in Chelmsford as mentioned earlier). But that may mean that something will happen this spring, so you never know! > anyways, are there any cheap but cool charlatans t-shirt mail orders > that anybody knows of that are reliable and quick? > i haven't seen any in toronto. If you have access to the www, here's an excellent link to a T-shirt mail order. http://www.rise.co.uk/underworld/ They've got a lot of T-shirts, and three different Charlatans T-shirts. Check it out... > i really like teenage fanclub, radiohead, blur, mbv, lush, a yeah, they're all great! Cheers, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:02:52 +0100 (BST) From: "T.E. McGrath" Subject: Re: R&R WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON , TAKE YOUR MUSIC AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ARSE. THANKYOU. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:09:39 +0100 (BST) From: "SC. Barrie" Subject: Some friendly video Dear non-UK people, Consider yourselves lucky! Although the Charlatans might play the UK more than Canada, at least you can get a Some Friendly video. I think it was only released in the US and Canada. It is also on NTSC format, so I can't even copy it! The only thing over here is one live performance on "Butt Naked" which I have (between 10th and 11th album mainly) and a rendition of an early song on an indie compilation video. I know what everyone means about discovering what the Charlatans lyrics mean. They seem to be far more obscure than for most bands. My favourite is "You're furious, I'm glorious". Cheers! Scott ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 06:45:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Derek Fong Subject: Re: canadian Jen, The Charlatans have come to Montreal several times in the past, including last October shortly after they released their latest album. They totally ROCKED. My friends told me they met Tim at the Between 10th & 11th tour a few years back when they came to Montreal, and Tim was the nicest guy in the world. He even gave them a bag of Revels! There was no crowd-surfing, just a lot of dancing at last October's gig at Club Soda (a smallish club here in Montreal where they played). A few obnoxious people, but no moshing (thank God). Anyway, I suspect they'll be back in Montreal once their new album is released...whenever that is! Unfortunately, it's more than a four hour drive from Alberta... :-) ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:26:49 BST From: The Soul Saver Subject: Re: You guys rock. The first three charlies albums have been reissued at mid price so expect to pay no more than stlg7 or stlg8 for it. ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:08:17 GMT0BST From: "Jamie" Subject: Re: cummings?? Send us a poem will ya mate? Cheers! ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:34:08 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Subject: Re: Some friendly video > even copy it! The only thing over here is one live performance on "Butt > Naked" which I have (between 10th and 11th album mainly) and a rendition > of an early song on an indie compilation video. Surely you mean mostly Up To Our Hips, I dont remember off hand but I think the only songs played from Between 10th and 11th were Weirdo and No-one not even the rain. Chris PS (One of my friends is in the front row) ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 07:25:18 -0500 From: Shane and Kari Winn Subject: Re: canadian >Anne Wong wrote: > > i haven't been on for awhile so i was just wondering if shane and kari > are still taking songs for the top 5 list. Yes, I'm still working on it...however, I haven't gotten that many responses. Tell ya' what, I'll give it until Sunday June 2 and then I'll post the results on Monday June 3. Keep on keepin' on, Kari ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:23:13 +0100 (BST) From: "H.Ismail" Subject: Re: cummings?? At the risk of breaking every copyright law in existence, here's the poem: Somewhere I have never travelled, gladly beyond any experience, your eyes have their silence: in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me, or which I cannot touch because they are too near. Your slightest look easily will unclose me though I have closed myself as fingers, you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens (touching skilfully, mysteriously) her first rose or if your wish be to close me, I and my life will shut very beautifully, suddenly, as when the heart of this flower imagines the snow carefully everywhere descending; nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals the power of your intense fragility:whose texture compels me with the colour of its countries, rendering death and forever with each breathing. (I do not know what it is about you that closes and opens; only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) nobody, not even the rain, has such small hands. Wow, it blows me away every time. Enjoy. Han --------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 06:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Benda Subject: brands Sorry to chat everyone up about this but it kind of has to do with music and the like: What's cooler: ADIDAS, FILA, or PUMA if you want to be the hot kid? We certainly know that NIKE sucks so we can't include those boys. Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course there's MR. FILA, Damon Blur, with his gold rap bracelets and the like... Some of those pics in the boolet for THE CHARLATANS UK ("first Shag" if you got the joke) have Tim sporting the "NEW YORK SPORT" high collar wind breaker and he looks pretty pretty in it. Rob's always sporting adidas jackets and scoots, whereas Tim kicks it in the Pumas. Opinions?......... as always, jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:58:54 EST5EDT From: "jim lowe" Subject: Re: brands > Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course I was wearing those before Liam! They are called Adidas "Gazelles" here in Canada. jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:32:57 +0100 From: Richard Subject: Re: brands In message Fri, 31 May 1996 09:58:54 EST5EDT, jim lowe writes: >> Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course > > I was wearing those before Liam! > > They are called Adidas "Gazelles" here in Canada. > > jim Yeah... called "Gazelles"over here too. We were all wearing them when we were ten. (i.e. 1985),but so what? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: David Reichert Subject: Re: Some friendly video > I know what everyone means about discovering what the Charlatans lyrics >mean. They seem to be far more obscure than for most bands. My favourite >is "You're furious, I'm glorious". I once read an interview with Tim Burgess. On the subject on his lyrics he said that they mean something different to him everytime he looks at them. Thus I think we should do the same. Cheers DAVE ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:08:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Deborah Subject: Re: brands > > Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course > > I was wearing those before Liam! exactly, anyone remember when our parents use to force us to wear pumas since they were the cheap $9.99 shoes to school. parents could nto give them away. and the only cool shoe back then was converse. oh god or am i teh only one old enough to remember that. now but a few bands in them, everyone from the beastie boys to the charlatans and oasis and they are trendy. it is now an excuse for a shoe company to slap a 89.99 price tag on them and make a fortune. okay i'm probably wrong on teh price but since i don't own any i wouldn't know. i just remember seeing them about a year ago and puma's were $89.99 adn adddas were not far off hte mark. but then again it is the ame with everything these days. my biggest annoyance being "vintage clothing stores". everything is outrageously priced when the same things can be bought at the good will and salvation army for next to nothing. but, now everyone wants to look like they are in pulp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:16:34 +0100 From: Mark Gordon Subject: Re: brands At 06:53 31/05/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Sorry to chat everyone up about this but it kind of has to do with music >and the like: > >What's cooler: ADIDAS, FILA, or PUMA if you want to be the hot kid? > >We certainly know that NIKE sucks so we can't include those boys. > >Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course there's MR. >FILA, Damon Blur, with his gold rap bracelets and the like... > >Some of those pics in the boolet for THE CHARLATANS UK ("first Shag" if >you got the joke) have Tim sporting the "NEW YORK SPORT" high collar wind >breaker and he looks pretty pretty in it. Rob's always sporting adidas >jackets and scoots, whereas Tim kicks it in the Pumas. > >Opinions?......... > >as always, jason I know the hot kid, his name is Pete McCallum (ceepm@cee.hw.ac.uk) so for any fashion tips contact him. ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:14:09 +0100 From: Mark Gordon Subject: Re: brands At 15:32 31/05/96 +0100, you wrote: >In message Fri, 31 May 1996 09:58:54 EST5EDT, > jim lowe writes: > >> >>> Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course >> >> I was wearing those before Liam! >> >> They are called Adidas "Gazelles" here in Canada. >> >> jim >> > Yeah... called "Gazelles"over here too. We were all wearing them when we >were ten. (i.e. 1985),but so what? What about Dunlop green flash? The ultimate in canvas footwear, as sported by Tim's next door neighbour's window cleaner. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 18:01:51 +0100 From: Richard Subject: Re: brands In message Fri, 31 May 1996 17:14:09 +0100, Mark Gordon writes: > At 15:32 31/05/96 +0100, you wrote: > >>In message Fri, 31 May 1996 09:58:54 EST5EDT, >> jim lowe writes: >>> >>>> Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course >>> >>> I was wearing those before Liam! >>> >>> They are called Adidas "Gazelles" here in Canada. >>> >>> jim >>> >>> >> Yeah... called "Gazelles"over here too. We were all wearing them when >> we were ten. (i.e. 1985),but so what? >> >> What about Dunlop green flash? The ultimate in canvas footwear, as >> sported > by Tim's next door neighbour's window cleaner. Really!!!! Must get a pair. How much are they? #50/#60/#70? Where can I get them? Schuh,JJB,JD sports where? Or are they just "#2.50 no #1.50 bargain price to you sir your a geezer Come on as modelled my Tim's mates best friends windowcleaner's grandad's dad. Well till he died of embarrassment bargain price though can't be beaten. " down the east end! to you mate your ---------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:44:39 +0100 From: Mark Gordon Subject: Re: brands At 18:01 31/05/96 +0100, you wrote: >In message Fri, 31 May 1996 17:14:09 +0100, > Mark Gordon writes: > >> At 15:32 31/05/96 +0100, you wrote: >> >>>In message Fri, 31 May 1996 09:58:54 EST5EDT, >>> jim lowe writes: >>> >>>>> Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course >>>> >>>> I was wearing those before Liam! >>>> >>>> They are called Adidas "Gazelles" here in Canada. >>>> >>>> jim >>>> >>> Yeah... called "Gazelles"over here too. We were all wearing them when >>> we were ten. (i.e. 1985),but so what? >>> >>> What about Dunlop green flash? The ultimate in canvas footwear, as >>> sported >> by Tim's next door neighbour's window cleaner. >> Really!!!! Must get a pair. How much are they? #50/#60/#70? Where >can I get them? Schuh,JJB,JD sports where? Or are they just "#2.50 no #1.50 >bargain price to you sir your a geezer Come on as modelled my Tim's mates >best friends windowcleaner's grandad's dad. Well till he died of >embarrassment bargain price though can't be beaten. " down the east end! > >to you mate your East End? What you on about our kid. Get them down the docks in Liverpool, they do though don't they though. Me mates Te' and Ba' could get yer a pair. I saw Jimmy Corkhill with a pair this avo' their all murderin' scum them Corkhills wanna be locked up the lorra them, leavin' our Mike out there on 'is own. Go Robbie, go Robbie go ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 00:09:31 -0700 From: Mikko Paila Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Tim Nicole wrote: > has everyone seen the sweet video clip they did together for a st > etienne song (the name escapes me)? The name of the song is "I Was Born on Christmas Day". I have seen the video and I love it. I also have the 12" single and it's just great. (Other songs aren't so good...) milkki --------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:14:29 -0800 From: Cassandra Frankos Subject: Re: More Jesus Hairdo and Dust Brothers Deborah wrote: > i don't know about it being an old way song, could be. but, yes it is a > cover of costello. thanks for the response :> cassandra ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:29:15 -0800 From: Cassandra Frankos Subject: Re: canadian > anyways, are there any cheap but cool charlatans t-shirt mail orders > that anybody knows of that are reliable and quick? > i haven't seen any in toronto. There is a very cool website that has t-shirts for some of the bands you listed at the end of email. I don't remember if they had a Charlatans t-shirts(I think they did). The site was called Underworld t-shirts, they're out of the UK(big suprise). I've ordered from them and they're not expensive. Cassandra --------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 96 17:26:40 -0500 (CDT) From: jba076@airmail.net (josh barnett) Subject: Re: brands >Some of those pics in the boolet for THE CHARLATANS UK ("first Shag" if >you got the joke) have Tim sporting the "NEW YORK SPORT" high collar wind >breaker and he looks pretty pretty in it. Rob's always sporting adidas >jackets and scoots, whereas Tim kicks it in the Pumas. > >Opinions?......... > >as always, jason adidas and puma are respectable soccer shoes. i prefer adidas myself. fila just suck. they have some highly unatractive shoes here in the states. plus, when fila came out the big fad was Finally I Left Adidas. josh --------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:29:37 -0800 From: Cassandra Frankos Subject: Re: Viva CREAM > If you like your Madchester then get down to Hallelujah at Leeds Uni every other week until the end of > June, they play the Charlies, Roses, Inspirals, you name it, if its Madchester they'll play it. > See you all there! > > Simon I'm gonna cry(excuse the melodrama). I'm stuck in the states with no madchester-type dance clubs, except where I spin, but then I'm behind the tables, not really able to bust out dancing with drunk people requesting Ride and Gene(hey,are you gonna dance to that?)... Cassandra --------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:33:23 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M P Donnelly Subject: Re: canadian those bands that you were talkinign about are dead famous in the UK Sorry if the spelling is sh*t, but i have had a few beers and am noit responsoible for what i've written, espciallly anyuone on the oais mailing list, sorry for sayting f**k oasis, I wqas just upset at their ticket prices Ceers (la la la ) Michael P.S. please give me respectb for spellijng my name right ----------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:39:14 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M P Donnelly Subject: happy birthday Of all the sh*te in Britpop, the charlies are the best, so a big 'round of applause to the charlies and happy birthay to Tim ----------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:42:29 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M P Donnelly Subject: Re: brands On Fri, 31 May 1996, Mark Gordon wrote: > At 06:53 31/05/96 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Sorry to chat everyone up about this but it kind of has to do with music > >and the like: > > > >What's cooler: ADIDAS, FILA, or PUMA if you want to be the hot kid? > > > >We certainly know that NIKE sucks so we can't include those boys. > > > >Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course there's MR. > >FILA, Damon Blur, with his gold rap bracelets and the like... > > > >Some of those pics in the boolet for THE CHARLATANS UK ("first Shag" if > >you got the joke) have Tim sporting the "NEW YORK SPORT" high collar wind > >breaker and he looks pretty pretty in it. Rob's always sporting adidas > >jackets and scoots, whereas Tim kicks it in the Pumas. > > > >Opinions?......... > > > >as always, jason > > > > > >I know the hot kid, his name is Pete McCallum (ceepm@cee.hw.ac.uk) so for > any fashion tips contact him. I've got a pair of Nike, and they're dead cool so f off --------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:44:23 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M P Donnelly Subject: Re: brands lets face it Take that were better than ocean colour scene and th e fat ba*tards., Northern Uproar La la la Mike ----------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 22:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Deborah Subject: Re: brands On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Mr M P Donnelly wrote: > lets face it Take that were better than ocean colour scene and th e fat > ba*tards., Northern Uproar > La la la > Mike hey us old people on the list still really dig ocean colour scene but i've yet to understand the appeal of northern uproar. but, hey everyone has their own opinion. ----------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 22:59:29 -0700 From: jhowe@ccinet.ab.ca (Jen Howe) Subject: Re: brands What about Airwalks? Don't think I've seen any bands wear them. They're pretty fun shoes. Okay, they are skater shoes, granted, but they're still fun. And, the ankles are even padded. Just a nice safety feature. Oh, and so you know, I don't skate, I just like the shoes :) Jen --------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 12:06:04 +0100 From: Mark Gordon Subject: Re: brands At 12:08 31/05/96 -0400, you wrote: > >> > Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course >> >> I was wearing those before Liam! >> >exactly, anyone remember when our parents use to force us to wear pumas >since they were the cheap $9.99 shoes to school. parents could nto give >them away. and the only cool shoe back then was converse. oh god or am i >teh only one old enough to remember that. now but a few bands in them, >everyone from the beastie boys to the charlatans and oasis and they are >trendy. it is now an excuse for a shoe company to slap a 89.99 price tag >on them and make a fortune. okay i'm probably wrong on teh price but >since i don't own any i wouldn't know. i just remember seeing them about >a year ago and puma's were $89.99 adn adddas were not far off hte mark. > >but then again it is the ame with everything these days. my biggest >annoyance being "vintage clothing stores". everything is outrageously >priced when the same things can be bought at the good will and salvation >army for next to nothing. but, now everyone wants to look like they are >in pulp. I have a secret fetish for footwear particularly the taste and smell of worn woman's footwear if you fancy a quick shag just flash me those high heels.(guys included) --------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 12:07:43 +0100 From: Mark Gordon Subject: Re: brands At 06:53 31/05/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Sorry to chat everyone up about this but it kind of has to do with music >and the like: > >What's cooler: ADIDAS, FILA, or PUMA if you want to be the hot kid? > >We certainly know that NIKE sucks so we can't include those boys. > >Liam Oasis always used to wear the adidas poly and of course there's MR. >FILA, Damon Blur, with his gold rap bracelets and the like... > >Some of those pics in the boolet for THE CHARLATANS UK ("first Shag" if >you got the joke) have Tim sporting the "NEW YORK SPORT" high collar wind >breaker and he looks pretty pretty in it. Rob's always sporting adidas >jackets and scoots, whereas Tim kicks it in the Pumas. > >Opinions?......... > >as always, jason Do you realise your second name sounds homosexual? Mr Benda> --------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:17:55 BST From: The Soul Saver Subject: Re: brands and Crashin' In What about Converse 'One Star'? Loads of people have blue and white one round here. Myself, to be differnent, have a pair of brown and green ones. Have you noticed on the cover of Crashin' In the lads trainers? I haven't got the cover infront of me but I seem to remember someone is wearing some 'gazzels' and one of the boys looks like he should be in the James Taylor Quartet. Dodgy did an NME frontcover where they all wore brown Vans or Airwark. -------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:20:30 BST From: The Soul Saver Subject: Levi deals. Has anyone else noticed pictures of Northern Uproar in your local Levis shop? It seems a bit of a change of direction after Jamiroquai and Fluke. Have the Charlies ever had any clothing deals, Joe Bloggs perhaps :) --------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: kclair@sas.upenn.edu (Kristina Clair) Subject: Re: wise words > nancy boy, etc. fortunately for myself i do have an independent mind and > that is why i like bands like the longpigs, seefeel, loops, 60ft dolls, > gorky's zygotic mynci, the pale saints, mbv, and spiritualized. bands speaking of spiritualized, how many cd's do they have released? -------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Jun 96 01:15:07 -0500 (CDT) From: jba076@airmail.net (josh barnett) Subject: Re: wise words >speaking of spiritualized, how many cd's do they have released? they have 2 lp's and 10 singles and 1 live disc ----------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:41:12 +0100 From: Cat Subject: Good day Hello all. Just to say I want to go to CREAM aswell. Ha. ----------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:35:07 -0400 From: ShamanBart@aol.com Subject: Life under the influence of the Charlatans Since no one really has any news about the Charlatans, I figured I might as well add something interesting to the mix. If anyone cares to see it, I've got a short story written by a friend who moved back from Seattle. I was told it was written after going out on the town right after listening to the Charlatans latest LP at full volume. For those interested, please read below, and put on the Charlatans starting with "Feeling Holy": A sample of part 1: "Dirty Laundry" by Jonny Disturbed copyright 1996, Sounds from the Street If I had a camera (or a rifle) It'd do a much better job of chronicling my dislike for this prairie state. As I merge onto Lyndale from Hennepin cutting off another annoying driver in a Mitsubishi wagon, too small to see and always changing lanes at the appropriate time to cause other cars to brake like a fucking Fred Flintstone imitation, Neil Young salivates a nicer sounding tune on a harp in a song on the Cities 97, nicer than his nasally singing style. Another wave of tobacco arrives without invitation into my Pontiac. Some University of Minnesota grad with a stupid baseball cap drives by in a red ford minicar, his white knees almost pressing up to the ceiling. He eyes the 25 cents Super Soda banner at the 24th and Lyndale SA and dreams of a Pepsi with no ice..."I'll get more soda than they want me to get and I'll drink a full one & refill it before I pay for it. Soda. Beef jerky. Anything with cheese on it. Three-two beer bought after liquor stores close at 9:00. Bliss. A tall brunette, faceless under a tangled, unkempt mess of a windblown hairstyle arrives at the heavy wooden door, carved nobly of British-like inscription into eight even squares, and covered with eight generations of bus exhaust, more dirt and grime worthy of Amoco station men's room sinks or of Iron Range rooftops. Yeah. It's the same scary place I remember. You have to like living in traffic, living in constant noise: police sirens, cars pouring it on to beat the light, loud groups of baggy clothes wearin' nose ring sportin' college students making their way to Muddy Waters for a $2 cup of coffee or a Leine's and a Marlboro at the Leaning Tower of Pizza. Just now a tall blonde, Nordic-looking lad in a "hail Satan" tee shirt skipped by on the sidewalk one foot on board, and one foot on his imaginary place in Hell I'm sure. At the Leaning Tower, the evening I was with John, Anne (the Sigourney Weaver twin, tall, skinny, red-haired and glamorous even when plowed) puffing on a marlboro Red, slamming a gin-soaked watered down cocktail chased with a Grain Belt "Premium" (a beer oxymoron?). This was a Bukowski scene. John is mickey Rourke. Anne is Faye Dunaway. The two others at the bar, a fat german with oval shades, Rob, and his bubbly gal-pal, Rose, with big tits shown off in a cleavage revealing dress, are their fellow barflies. They all made this night a gem (if sandstone is precious). to be continued...upon request. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:20:55 -0400 From: Rainbow507@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob's yer Uncle ATTENTION ALL UK PEOPLE: What does "bob's yer uncle" mean???? I see it on all the brit magazines and such. so if you know, please respond promptly!! also , this doesn't have much to do with the charlatans, but i was wondering if anyone caught the pulp show in toronto at the opera house. i thought it was amazing and jarvis looked sweet of course, sporting tight orangish-brown bellbottoms and such... it was well worth the 2 hr. car ride from buffalo. ------Rainbow ------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 15:35:11 -0400 From: Sproston Green Subject: Recent Boots Ok. Where's all the boots from the tours encompassing the releases of 'up to our hips' and 'charlatans'? There must be plenty of opportunity. I mean after the stone roses toured last year a flood of boots hit the market almost instantly. Can anyone explain this? Sproston Green jrobin@tiac.net http://www.tiac.net/users/jrobin/ -------------------------------- End of The Charlatans Digest #2.12 **********************************
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