The Charlatans Digest Vol.2 Issue #07
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Digest
Vol.2 Issue #07
April 16th, 1996
There are 55 messages totalling 1378 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. LET'S DO
2. new subscriber
3. Northwich and 109
4. WANT TO GET OFF LIST (3)
5. Charlatans fans (10)
6. List of the fans
7. ATTENTION ERIC, MAINTAINER OF THIS LIST (2)
8. Do you want to get off this list? (8)
9. RTFM!!
10. Diversion (10)
11. I'm coming home
12. Roses (2)
13. The Charlatans Interview (3)
14. Diversion & Hot Licks
15. RTFM.
16. UP TO OUR HIPS
17. Interview With The Charlatans From October--Long!
18. I want to get off the list
19. Some Friendly (5)
20. RCPT: Re: Charlatans fans
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:06:05 -0500
From: SkEiht@aol.com
Subject: LET'S DO
I'd love to, but AOL SUCKS. I haven't been able to get on for a week. Maybe
soon.
Travis.
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:53:45 -0000
From: G Southern
Subject: Re: new subscriber
At 02:25 29/03/96 -0000, you wrote:
>I know what you mean. I haven't received anything either. But I don't
>think there is any news at the moment. I read British publications
>pretty regularly and I haven't come across anything. I have an e-mail
>pal in Norwich so if he finds out anything new, I'll be sure to relay it
>to this list. Until then,
Doena,
I`am sure you mean NORTHWICH, not Norwich as above. I live in Northwich and
went to school with Tim (for my sins). Please dont get us confused with
Norwich.
Cheers, BTW read 109 rather than this stuff, Anyone want any REAL Charls
questions answered I can get them from the Horses mouth via Dave Jones and
Mr Mcgee.
SSI of Northwich.
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:19:21 -0800 (PST)
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov) (Krassi Lyakov)
Subject: Northwich and 109
Hello!
> I live in Northwich and went to school with Tim (for my sins).
Really! Wow, that's awesome! Did you go to school WITH Tim, or at the same
school, Tim went to? Have you ever met Tim, or another Charlies mamber(s)?
If so, would you tell us somethin' interesting about him(them)
Thanks!
>Cheers, BTW read 109 rather than this stuff, Anyone want any REAL Charls
>questions answered I can get them from the Horses mouth via Dave Jones and
>Mr Mcgee.
Who are Dave Jones and Mr Mcgee?
How can I subscribe for 109? (from the US)
Any information is greatly appreciated in advance!
Peace!
Krassi
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:27:20 -0600 (CST)
From: JPS7718@ACS.TAMU.EDU
Subject: Re: WANT TO GET OFF LIST
please remove jps7718@acs.tamu.edu also.
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 15:39:59 JST
From: r_smith@Koyosha.CO.JP (hiroko takeda)
Subject: Re: Charlatans fans
hi Krassi,
I wrote you e-mail sometime, didn't you receive at all?? anyway,
about Christine,
name: Christine Jack
e-mail: cjack@islandnet.com
location: Victoria B.C
country: Canada
she don't use this mail-box now. she moved (or be moving now) to japan as english teacher, I heard from her. so delete her, please:) she's going very far from Tokyo but maybe she stop-over at Toyko (where I live). we'll meet and have a cup of tea, we made the promise.
and anout 104
you sould send
3 international postal coupon (you can buy at post office)
with addressed envirope
to address which was written at backcover any of the charlatans'cd. ok??
see you later.
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 02:16:09 -0500 (EST)
From: kclair@sas.upenn.edu (Kristina Clair)
Subject: Re: Charlatans fans
name: Kristina Clair
e-mail: kclair@sas.upenn.edu
location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
country: USA
additional info: 3rd year philosophy student
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:20:25 +0000
From: Jason New
Subject: Re: Charlatans fans
name: Jason New
e-mail: jnew@vmark.co.uk
location: Bracknell, Berkshire
country: UK
additional stuff: Support Analyst, age 21, into mountain biking.
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:59:08 -0500
From: HEISEI6692@aol.com
Subject: List of the fans
Hey! I feel excluded. :D Here's me bio luv:
Travis Saunders
e-mail: HEISEI6692@aol.com
Location:Tucson, Arizona
Country: USA
In the summer time I live with me ma & da at:
Den'en Chofu, Tokyo
Japan
No e-mail there.:( unless you count the one I have at me summer job.
(although I can't remember it)
Additional info: top 10 bands--1) Charlies 2)the swe@ar 3) the 'sis 4) Pulp
5) Coast 6) The Grarse 7) The Radleys 8) cast 9) the Cardies 10) ride.
Illustration / graphic design major at University of Arizona (I'm fuckin
brilliant :-P) I'm also broke
Cheers!
Travis
Live it like you love it <--you stole me line luv
Sapienter si sincere
Clarior hinc honos
HEISEI6692@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:12:19 GMT+0100
From: "Vin Donnelly"
Subject: Re: Charlatans fans
name: Vincent Donnelly
e-mail: scp23010@novell1.rtc-carlow.ie
Country : Ireland
any thing else: ?
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:03:12 EET
From: "SAARA VaeKEVae"
Subject: Re: Charlatans fans
name: Saara Vakeva
e-mail: svakeva@elahti.ekol.fi
location:Espoo
country:Finland
additional info: also mad for Suede,Verve and Oasis
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:11:37 -0500
From: mayers@mail.vt.edu (mike ayers)
Subject: Re: WANT TO GET OFF LIST
please remove mayers@vt.edu as soon as possible
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:37:41 -0500
From: kangela@DAX.CC.UAKRON.EDU (and now a moment of silence for Edith Massey)
Subject: Re: Charlatans fans
name: angela kline
e-mail: kangela@uakron.edu
location: akron, ohio
country: usa
additional info: i'm a photography major at the u of akron, i'm 21, and
hopefully i'll be getting out of here soon! i want to move to maine someday.
that's where i grew up. of course i like the charlatans, but also, the pale
saints, arlo guthrie (!!) , and einsturzende neubauten.
and now a moment of silence for edith massey.
three cheers for lao sai,
ANGEL-A
and they tell him, take your time, it won't be long now
till you drag your feet to slow the circles down.
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:27:58 -0800 (PST)
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov) (Krassi Lyakov)
Subject: Charlatans fans
I'm really sorry to not have asked people to reply to my personal e-mail
address with their personal info for the fan list...I forgot...Appologies to
the maintainers of the list, and to everyone else...
If you do submit info, please mail to klyakov@ucsd.edu...
Long live the Charlatans! Indian Rope live is amazing!!!
Peace!
Krassi
(Hoping for the Roses to get it together again!...Reni, John, Mani, and Ian
together again in the Summer....)
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:27:36 -0800 (PST)
From: klyakov@ucsd.edu (Lyakov) (Krassi Lyakov)
Subject: Charlatans fans
I'm really sorry to not have asked people to reply to my personal e-mail
address with their personal info for the fan list...I forgot...Appologies to
the maintainers of the list, and to everyone else...
If you do submit info, please mail to klyakov@ucsd.edu...
Long live the Charlatans! Indian Rope live is amazing!!!
Peace!
Krassi
(Hoping for the Roses to get it together again!...Reni, John, Mani, and Ian
together again in the Summer....)
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:22:51 -0600
From: rjbarton@Onramp.NET (Rick Barton)
Subject: Re: Charlatans fans
Please remove rjbarton@onramp.net from list
E-mail rjbarton@onramp.net
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:02:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck
Subject: ATTENTION ERIC, MAINTAINER OF THIS LIST
Have you not noticed the dozens of people, including me, who want off
this list? I've tried formal as well as unformal methods of getting off
the list, and none of them work. The LEAST you could do would be to
inform us how to remove our names.
This is really pissing me off as well as many others. Get with it, please.
Justin
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:23:21 EST5EDT
From: "jim lowe"
Subject: Re: ATTENTION ERIC, MAINTAINER OF THIS LIST
> Have you not noticed the dozens of people, including me, who want off
> this list? I've tried formal as well as unformal methods of getting off
> the list, and none of them work. The LEAST you could do would be to
> inform us how to remove our names.
>
> This is really pissing me off as well as many others. Get with it, please.
Please listen to Justin & the others who want off the list.
I don't want to unsubscribe, but more than half the messages that
come from this bloody list are from people who just want to leave.
ERIK - PLEASE OBLIGE THEM! UNSUBSCRIBE THEM. THEY DON'T
WANT TO BE HERE, AND THEY ARE ONLY MAKING LIFE MISERABLE
FOR THE REST OF US AS LONG AS THEY ARE STUCK HERE!
(To Justin) Thank you, at least, for being civil. I honestly don't
understand why you guys aren't being unsubscribed, but at least
you're dealing with it maturely, rather than ranting and raving like a
few other people.
jim
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 07:31:09 +0000 (GMT)
From: Hewes
Subject: Do you want to get off this list?
Just an Idea,
Lets make a list of everyone who wants to get off this list, then
whenever we think the list is complete, i can give the list to a comsci
who will put it on a machine so that it send the mail to Whoever
maintains this list, every 30 minutes until the machine is shut down :)
If you know the maintainers name and Email, mail it with subject MAINTAINER
Add your name to this, then reply it to the list.
List:
Richard Hewes, rmh105@york.ac.uk
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:11:29 +0100 (MET)
From: root
Subject: RTFM!!
Hi! I was told by Eirik that a lot of you had problems removing yourself
from this list. Here is an extract of the message you received when you
joined the list:
--
* To unsubscribe; mail a message to Majordomo@stud2.misjonshs.no
with the message text: unsubscribe charlatans
That should do the trick. This is very important;
DON'T SEND UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE MAILINGLIST!
--
Now, I just tested this to see if this worked there where no problems
what so ever.
IMPORTANT: If you are trying to unsubscribe from an adress that you are
NOT SUBSCRIBED FROM, this *COULD* cause some trouble, so please mail me
if that is the case.
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:52:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin Beck
Subject: Re: Do you want to get off this list?
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Hewes wrote:
> Just an Idea,
> Lets make a list of everyone who wants to get off this list, then
> whenever we think the list is complete, i can give the list to a comsci
> who will put it on a machine so that it send the mail to Whoever
> maintains this list, every 30 minutes until the machine is shut down :)
>
> If you know the maintainers name and Email, mail it with subject MAINTAINER
>
> Add your name to this, then reply it to the list.
>
> List:
>
> Richard Hewes, rmh105@york.ac.uk
> Justin Beck, justin@fitts.ss.uci.edu
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:09:38 -0000
From: G Southern
Subject: Re: Do you want to get off this list?
At 23:52 31/03/96 -0000, you wrote:
>
>On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Hewes wrote:
>
>> Just an Idea,
>> Lets make a list of everyone who wants to get off this list, then
>> whenever we think the list is complete, i can give the list to a comsci
>> who will put it on a machine so that it send the mail to Whoever
>> maintains this list, every 30 minutes until the machine is shut down :)
>>
>> If you know the maintainers name and Email, mail it with subject MAINTAINER
>>
>> Add your name to this, then reply it to the list.
>>
>> List:
>>
>> Richard Hewes, rmh105@york.ac.uk
>> Justin Beck, justin@fitts.ss.uci.edu
Glen Southern glen@southern.u-net.com
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 10:24:21 GMT
From: Rebecca Doyle
Subject: Re: Do you want to get off this list?
In message Justin Beck writes:
> On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Hewes wrote:
>
> Just an Idea,
> Lets make a list of everyone who wants to get off this list, then
> whenever we think the list is complete, i can give the list to a comsci
> who will put it on a machine so that it send the mail to Whoever
> maintains this list, every 30 minutes until the machine is shut down :)
>
> If you know the maintainers name and Email, mail it with subject MAINTAINER
>
> Add your name to this, then reply it to the list.
>
> List:
>
> Richard Hewes, rmh105@york.ac.uk
> Justin Beck, justin@fitts.ss.uci.edu
Rebecca Doyle, rebecca@corbetteng.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 14:58:18 +0100
From: Gerard Kelly
Subject: Re: Do you want to get off this list?
At 23:52 31/03/96 -0000, you wrote:
>
>
>On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Hewes wrote:
>
>> Just an Idea,
>> Lets make a list of everyone who wants to get off this list, then
>> whenever we think the list is complete, i can give the list to a comsci
>> who will put it on a machine so that it send the mail to Whoever
>> maintains this list, every 30 minutes until the machine is shut down :)
>>
>> If you know the maintainers name and Email, mail it with subject MAINTAINER
>>
>> Add your name to this, then reply it to the list.
>>
>> List:
>>
>> Richard Hewes, rmh105@york.ac.uk
>> Justin Beck, justin@fitts.ss.uci.edu
> Glen Southern glen@southern.u-net.com
Gerard Kelly roses@maths.tcd.ie
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 96 08:06:33 -0600
From: Brett Matthew Haydin (Bretter)
Subject: Re: Charlatans fans
name: Brett Haydin
e-mail: haydinbm@uwec.edu
location: Eau Claire, WI
country: USA
additional info: Interests include Bass Ale, Brit pop, snowboarding,
camping, and a good cup of coffee. 23 yrs old, still work at a summer camp
just outside of Milwaukee, and I have a twin brother.
Bretter
University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire
haydinbm@uwec.edu
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 10:52:30 PST
From: a05442@academic.csubak.edu
Subject: Diversion
Hey does any one out there know how I can get a copy of DIVERSION.
Or does any one have DIVERSION that will copy it for me
Also where is every one on the list there seems to be no activity.
Cheers,
Dan
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:18:17 AEST-10
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 05:30:34 -0500
From: HEISEI6692@aol.com
Subject: I'm coming home
Hello all,
I hope that everyone who doesn't want to be here finally got off. Just
wanted to ask if anyone has heard of any news on the Charlies. Everyone
seems to be quiet latley, huh? That's allright. I think the Discography is
being updated so you may want to check that out. Speaking of which, I'm
compiling me own discographies of the following bands: The Swe@r, the 'sis,
and Coast any info about bootlegs / imports would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers!
Travis
Ain't no hands big enough to save us
HEISEI6692@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 15:20:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: AWRIGHT@TrentU.ca
Subject: Re: Do you want to get off this list?
I too would like off this list.....MY name is Ashley Wright and my email
address is awright@trentu.ca....pplllleeeaaasssseee let me go....PLEASE!!!
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:31:02 +0000
From: "Tats"
Subject: Re: Roses
WERE YOU AT THE ROSES AT GLASGOW GREEN?
TATS
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:34:30 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Eirik Gudmundsen
Subject: The Charlatans Interview
Hi Again!
Now onto something completely different. I was surfing around the net the
other day to see if I could find some interresting pages with the
Charlatans on it. I used the Alta Vista thing which was pretty good, and
I found a Charlatans interview I had never seen before. Some of you may
have, but since there is so little going on at the moment, I thought I
could bring that interview up even if it is from october 1995. It's an
interview from when The Charlatans were in USA. You can find the
interview at :
http://www.gaysource.com/gs/ht/oct95/charlatans.html/
As you may see, it's from an internet gay magazine. I thought it was very
interresting. Tim Burgess and Mark Collins are appearing. As an example,
you could read about both their believes. Mark Collins have Catholic
parents which don't come along with eachother at all, but they don't
divorce because of their relegion. If you can only read mail, tell me,
and I could post it on the mailinglist. (if you thought it sounded
interresting at all).
Well, now I'm up to my hips again, so bye for now, cheers :@)
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:03:14 -0500
From: kangela@DAX.CC.UAKRON.EDU (i want to marry a lighthouse keeper)
Subject: Re: Roses
>WERE YOU AT THE ROSES AT GLASGOW GREEN?
>
>TATS
no. why?
why go throwing frisbees at the sun.....
angela
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 11:16:13 PST
From: a05442@academic.csubak.edu
Subject: Diversion & Hot Licks
just looking for some one who has either Hot Licks or diversion that would make
me a copy or tell me where I can get a copy of one of them
How rare is Diversion?
Is Hot Licks Still arround to buy?
Please Help Me!
Cheers,
Dan
a05442@academic.csubak.edu
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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:29:06 GMT+0
From: Jimi
Subject: Re: WANT TO GET OFF LIST
AND ME 2!!!!!!!
> I too have tried all the informal as well as formal methods of removing
> myself from this list! None of them work.
>
> MAINTAINER OF THIS LIST, GET WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Hewes wrote:
>
> > Me TOO, I HATE THIS LIST, GET ME OFF IT!"!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Mar 1996 x95linderman@wmich.edu wrote:
> >
> > > how do I get of this list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Rick den Breejen wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate you.
> > > > I hate you.
> > > > I hate you, maintainer of this list.
> > > >
> > > > > I just thought I'd say welcome back to everyone. Has anyone heard anything
> > > > > new about the Charlies? I just ordered an Up to our hips box set that was
> > > > > just released!?! Beggars is a little behind on this one aren't they? It
> > > > > supposedly doesn't come with anything new Just the singles and the album, but
> > > > > hey that's cool. Supposedly there was an up to our hips box set that was
> > > > > released last year that came with a live cd? does anyone know about this?
> > > > > well gotta go.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > > Travis
> > > > > Live it like you love it
> > > > > HEISEI6692@aol.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:27:06 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Eirik Gudmundsen
Subject: Re: The Charlatans Interview
Hi Again!
Im'm sorry, but I think I had a "far away" moment when I wrote you the
address. Try this:
http://www.gaysource.com/gs/ht/oct95/charlatans.html
If this doesn't work either, I think I'll propably send the interview to
the list anyway. thanks.
btw. for those of you wanting to unsubscribe, just read the first mail
you got from the list, and that WILL do the trick. There is nothing wrong
with the unsubscribing part of the list . People are unsubscribing
without any problems, so PLEASE stop with the Wanting to get off this
list subjects. Thanks,
Cheers
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:21:14 -0400
From: Rainbow507@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Charlatans Interview
hello everyone . Can someone try to put that interview on over the list? i
would love to read it. Also, does anyone know when the new shed 7 is coming
out in the USA??? Thanks, love Rainbow **i wonder why you bleach the
sky**
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:27:42 +0200 (MET DST)
From: root
Subject: RTFM.
To all of you who wants to get off this list, read this:
http://www2.misjonshs.no/~eirikg/109/rtfm.html
This instruction works. If it doesn't *PLEASE* don't send mail to the
list. The reason some of you probably didn't get of this list was because
you tried to get off during the time i took the list down.
Ah.. one more thing. Nobody will get removed by sending 'remove me'-mails
to this list. Not now, not ever. I'm sorry, but if you have problems
coordinating your brain enough to actually read the instruction, send a mail
to: trygu@stud2.misjonshs.no.
Regards
Trygve.
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:03:00 PST
From: a05442@academic.csubak.edu
Subject: UP TO OUR HIPS
Can someone tell me what the fold out in UP TO OUR HIPS looks like and what the
disc itself looks like
I have a promo version and was wondring if wat different the the regular
release version.
cheers,
Dan
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:05:48 PST
From: a05442@academic.csubak.edu
Subject: Diversion
any one out there have diversion that is willing to make a copy of it for me??
Thanks
Cheers,
Dan
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:22:57 -0400
From: Lazyitis@aol.com
Subject: Re: Diversion
i have diversion...it is on vinyl...if you need it dan
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:00:54 +0000
From: Colin Rattray <9504525r@student.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Do you want to get off this list?
>Just an Idea,
> Lets make a list of everyone who wants to get off this list, then
>whenever we think the list is complete, i can give the list to a comsci
>who will put it on a machine so that it send the mail to Whoever
>maintains this list, every 30 minutes until the machine is shut down :)
>
>If you know the maintainers name and Email, mail it with subject MAINTAINER
>
>Add your name to this, then reply it to the list.
>
> List:
>
>Richard Hewes, rmh105@york.ac.uk
Colin Rattray, 9504525r@student.gla.ac.uk
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:26:25 -0400
From: kangela@DAX.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Re: Diversion
>i have diversion...it is on vinyl...if you need it dan
i don't even know what diversion is. please explain?
i hope you all will forgive me.........
indiana jeff,
scales buildings with a
pair of forks.
bye,
angela
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:32:40 -0400
From: Lazyitis@aol.com
Subject: Re: Diversion
Diversion is a live album recorded by the charlatans on 4 26 90 i think it
was recorded either right b4 or after Some friendly came out.......ARE THERE
ANY FANS IN AUSTIN TEXAS IF SO WRITE ME
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:20:35 PST
From: a05442@academic.csubak.edu
Subject: Re: Diversion
>>i have diversion...it is on vinyl...if you need it dan
>
>i don't even know what diversion is. please explain?
>i hope you all will forgive me.........
>
> indiana jeff,
> scales buildings with a
> pair of forks.
>
>
> bye,
> angela
>
Diversion Is a live promo put out after Some Firendly.
If I am wrong please someone correct me
Cheers,
Dan
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:31:16 +0200
From: Eirik Gudmundsen
Subject: Re: Diversion
hi!
Diversion is as told a live promo LP. It was recorded live on 26.04.90,
and Some Friendly was out in October the same year. The LP is therefore
recorded a half year before their debut album. But I don't remember when
it was put out, and that may be after the release of Some Friendly. The
record also features 'Always' which is not on any official releases, only
promos and bootlegs.
Cheers, Eirik
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:50:05 +0200
From: Eirik Gudmundsen
Subject: Interview With The Charlatans From October--Long!
Hi! I gave you the address to this page, but some of you requested me to
forward it to the list. It's a quite long interview, but I send it to the
list in support to those of you who can't surf too much on the WWW. Cheers :
With a recent Number One album on the British charts, The Charlies are riding
high. In the middle of a mini U.S. tour, lead singer Tim Burgess and guitarist
Mark Collins stopped a minute to talk with us about their current success,
space aliens, and Tim's status as a Gay Icon.
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GS: Well boys, how does it feel to have your second Number One album in
Britain?
Tim Burgess: It feels alright. (laughs) It felt better this time I think.
The first time it was almost expected. You know, we had a Number Nine hit
single, a Number Twelve hit single, and it was like flavor of the month in
Britain. But, this album, we had to work a bit harder for it.
Mark Collins: It was my first Number One as well, so it felt really good for
me. I joined a year after the first one.
GS: You certainly are getting a lot of press in Britain right now. And,
things seem to be starting to happen for you here in the U.S.
T: I hope so. I really thought we nearly blew it last year, cause we just
didn't come over enough. We just wanted to get back and do another LP. We
get like that sometimes. But, right now we just wanna show this album off a
bit, just get out and spread the word.
GS: You'd be surprised how many people in the U.S. like you.
T: That would be brilliant if we could get a little bit more respect in the
U.S. You know, just get in people's heads and all.
M: We really want America this time. (laughs) All of it.
GS: I see the "UK" is back in your name. What's up with that?
T: Well, we dropped it on the last album, and we'd go into radio stations
and stuff, and they'd say, "The Charlatans, are you the same as The Charlatans
UK?" I felt people had a bit more intelligence than that, you know what I
mean. It was really sort of our own ego that we wanted to be called The
Charlatans worldwide, but the reality is that some people like the name The
Charlatans UK. I think people get used to what they know at first.
M: And, the cover on the third album as well, having two completely anonymous
people on the front cover without the "UK". It's like, "Who are these two
here?" It was a bit of our own fault that people got confused. So on the
new album, we stuck a big photo of ourselves with the "UK".
T: Our picture's on the front so people don't even have to turn the record
over.
GS: Keep it simple.
T: Well, I think groups can kinda get too obscure sometimes. People like
simplicity sometimes. Like when we first came out, we had photographs on
the cover. I think that did help, people seeing a photo of the group early
on. A lot of groups at the time had drawings and stuff.
GS: Who inspires you?
T: I really like The Wu-tang Clan. It's a world that I've really not got a
clue about, talking about guns and all this sort of thing. It really
intrigues me. I like a lot of soul, too, Diana Ross and The Supremes, Sly
and the Family Stone. Stuff that you can sort of...(as he raises his hands
above his head and dances in his chair) Shaun Ryder of Black Grape really
inspires me, too. He used to be the lead singer of The Happy Mondays, now
he's got a new group called Black Grape. He inspires me cause his
lyrics are just amazing. It's something I couldn't do.
GS: How do you come up with your lyrics?
T: Well, the guys will come up with some music that I really like, and I'll
just completely ad-lib to it. Then I'll write down something, then maybe do
a couple of more times and build up something. It always seems to be about
what the music is doing. It's about getting it through here (points to heart)
rather than through the head.
GS: What's going to be the first single in the U.S.?
M: "Just Lookin'" They've been showing the video a few times on MTV.
GS: I've heard you mention that this current album is your best to date.
Everyone always seems to feel that way, but is there any reason why in
particular you think that this is your best album?
T: Well, really inside, even though you do think that your new album is
best, up until this album I've always thought that our first one was probably
the best. I don't think the production was that good on that one, I think it
is a bit lame, but I didn't think we matched it on the second two as well as
we could have. So its the first one and this one that are definitely the
best, but this one is better because it sounds more real.
M: I think we paid more attention to the actual songs rather than just
having a lot of chords. There's a lot of little intricacies in there, and
when we were doing it, we were all playing our hearts out on every song.
There's a real lot of heart in all the tunes. It's a really confident
record. We felt so strong while we were doing it, and we had such a good
time doing it as well. I think it really comes across on this record,
that's why I think it's the best. I wasn't on the first one, I think it's
shit. (laughs)
GS: Any plans for more videos?
T: We've done two so far.
M: Yeah, "Just Lookin'" and one for "Just When You're Thinkin' Things Over."
A kind of "gangster" video.
T: We dressed up for that one. We'd never dressed up before, and we thought
that there was a real lack of it in British Pop groups. So, we thought
alright, we'll do it. And, we had an idea of what we were gonna do. So,
I greased my hair back, and we had all these big suits, and we're parading
around and all. It's brilliant.
GS: That sounds great. Where did you shoot it?
M: In a really grimy hotel in London.
T: It's a real seedy sort of place, with cheap prostitutes and stuff.
M: Ten pounds for a room for the afternoon.
T: We just took over a floor in this hotel. It was brilliant.
GS: When is this video going to be out in the U.S.?
T: It depends on whether or not Atlantic wants to release it here. I hope
they do. It came out in Britain about a month ago. And, it did really good,
it got shown loads of times. People had never seen The Charlatans dressed up
before, and so it was worth showing quite a few times.
GS: I hope they release it here. Have you guys been on the Internet yet?
T: I've seen it. A neighbor of mine in London has it. I've seen people go
through it, but I've never done it myself. I've never been into computers
myself, I've just never done it.
M: Time to learn, isn't it?
T: Well, it is. But, I'm really impatient with stuff like that. I like
things now! I don't mind CD players and TV's and stuff, but computers you
have to learn stuff to operate them. I used to be an assistant to a someone
that used computers, and I would look at it and think, "I'm never gonna learn
this." John (the drummer) has a computer.
M: Right, he uses that for his sampling. I've got a drum machine, I've got
my head around this drum machine just about.
T: The colors on the Internet are amazing. It is really amazing.
GS: Yeah, the government is freaking out cause they can't control it.
T: Can you do anything private on the Internet?
GS: Yeah, you have to use data encryption software, but you can send messages
and keep them private. The government here doesn't want us doing that. They
want to control what we do. But we have a right to privacy, everyone does.
T: Do you believe in aliens?
GS: Aliens, like from outer space?
T: Yeah.
GS: Well, I believe that it would be really pompous of us to think that we
are the only life in the Universe.
T: That's my thought exactly.
GS: I believe that there's a lot of life out there, some physical and some
not physical.
T: Yeah, you can't see or touch.
GS: Are you guys very spiritual? What do think about spirituality, religion,
God, Goddess?
T: Well, I was brought up to believe in God and stuff. But, my dad, the one
who used to make me go to church, when he was 50, he decided that he didn't
believe in anything. And, my girlfriend's dad used to be a Priest and then
he dropped out as well. At the moment, I'm not believing in very much, but
if someone comes and knocks on my door and offers to sell me a bible, I'd
have to buy it. I don't really believe, but I'm sort of still a little bit
scared. I do believe in Tarot cards and stuff though. I think that some
people have a gift for it, like John's mother.
M: I don't know whether or not I believe in God. I was brought up in a
really heavy Irish Catholic community. I went to primary school, the
headmistress was a nun. I went to secondary school, and that was run
by brothers. By the age of 14, I decided I wasn't a Catholic anymore,
no way, I wasn't having it. I don't believe in the Catholic religion.
I don't know whether or not I believe in God.
T: I believe in aliens.
M: I believe in life and the Universe, and that's what I believe in.
I don't see the point in believing in something other than that. I
believe that there is something else out there, but I'm not calling it God.
T: I feel as if we've been really lucky, and someone's been looking
down on us.
GS: What's happening with a tour in the U.S.?
M: Well, at the moment, we've just come over to do ten gigs in the major
cities. You know, buzz a few people up. Try to get the record company
behind us. We really want to come back in like January to do a proper,
big U.S. tour, maybe do forty-odd dates or something like that. Cause,
as I said, we want America!
GS: Tim, are you still dating Sarah (Cracknell of St. Etienne)?
T: No. My girlfriend now is this little one, she's Scottish, and she's...
M: She's got a foul mouth.
T: She's got a foul mouth, and she gets into trouble quite a lot. But,
I'm really proud of her.
GS: How long have you been together?
T: Two years, Christmas.
GS: Congratulations. Relationships are so hard.
T: Yeah, there's no guidebook to go along with them.
GS: And, the stuff our parents taught us about relationships doesn't work
with us.
T: Yeah. She's quite a bit younger than me, I'm 28 and she's 22. And the
way she was brought up is a lot different than I was brought up. It's more
modern. It's different you know, from the way my parents taught me. I'm
learning a lot off of her, and she's learning a lot off of me.
M: My parents hate each other. They haven't slept together for about 20
years.
GS: They're still together?
M: Catholics, you know. They're not allowed to get divorced.
GS: Yeah, it's nuts.
The Chemical Brothers remixes, how did that come about?
M: It started when we did Up to Our Hips.
T: They were called The Dust Brothers then.
M: We gave them a track off the album called "Petrol" to remix, and they
did this fuckin' smart remix on it. And we thought, "Well, we like this."
And, then we just kept in touch with them, and Tim did a bit of singing
with them.
T: Did a bit of DJ'ing together. (makes scratching noise and motions
with hands)
M: And, they heard some of the tracks off our new album before it was
finished, and said they wanted to do a couple more remixes.
T: The last thing was this Help album to raise money for the Bosnian
war children. Like 20 groups got together and did a 20 track album,
all within 24 hours.
M: It's the fastest recorded and distributed album ever. It was recorded
on a Monday, and it was on the shops by Saturday.
GS: I hear it is outselling everything else in Britain right now.
M: Oh, yeah. It's already made over two million pounds for the charity.
T: We did a number with all of us, The Chemical Brothers, and this guy,
Wags, from Black Grape.
M: Who didn't actually do anything.
T: He didn't actually do anything, but it was sort of like a vibe. He
had his guitar with him, but he didn't do anything with it.
M: It was the day that we'd just gone in at Number One on the British
charts. It was like total celebration for 24 hours, and we'd just got
this track down.
T: But, that song was a collaboration between The Chemical Brothers
and The Charlatans UK, and it worked out really well. I think there
will be more stuff as well, cause I just think it's ace and could be
really good for each of us.
GS: You seem to have a lot of gay fans in the U.S.
T: In Britain as well, I'm a gay icon apparently. So I was told.
GS: So how do you feel about that?
T: I think it's a really massive complement. I have had a few people
that I've known fancy me.
M: He had two guys fighting over him at one point.
T: It was nice. They both kept giving me presents and stuff. We all
hang out and have drinks, just being really good mates and stuff.
GS: Sounds very flattering.
T: It is. I'm really flattered by it. In Britain, there isn't a lot of
integration of different kinds of people. They tend to stay in their own
communities. But, we've got several gay friends.
M: If you like someone, it shouldn't matter whether they're gay, straight,
or whatever, you know what I mean? You get on with people. People are
people. It's not issue whether they're gay or straight. I can't be dealing
with bigotry of any kind, there's just no need for it. These narrow-minded
people who probably go home and batter their wives or something.
T: I like people who stand up for themselves, who live the way they want
to live.
M: It's time for living.
T: Yeah, live and let live.
That's it. Pretty enjoyable :)
Eirik.
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:28:18 GMT
From: EURO-FOUNDATION@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
Subject: I want to get off the list
Please get me off the list. I can't take any more. My wife has left
me and my dog has died. My address is euro-foundation@mcr1.poptel.org.uk
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:20:35 PST
From: a05442@academic.csubak.edu
Subject: Some Friendly
What was the reason that the album cover changed on Some friendly?
It whent form a digitized picture to the picture of them in a field.
Does any on know why?
Cheers
Dan
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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:22:14 -0400
From: Lazyitis@aol.com
Subject: Re: Some Friendly
i'm looking for a new charlatans tshirt...i have one w/ the DEAD DEAD GOOD
logo from 1990....but it is looking pretty decrepite...i also want a new
stone roses shirt my old one is terrible...please mail me w/ any info
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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 03:08:02 -0700
From: Decker
Subject: Re: Some Friendly
Heah Man,
I make Charlatan shirts..... If i have a Picture. i can make any shirt.
I downloaded some charly pics off the net and made them into shirts..
Need i say more??
: )
-Decker
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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 96 13:08:16 BST
From: etllett@etlxdmx.ericsson.se (Lee Talbot XD/DF x1844)
Subject: Re: Some Friendly
> i'm looking for a new charlatans tshirt...i have one w/ the DEAD DEAD GOOD
> logo from 1990....but it is looking pretty decrepite...i also want a new
> stone roses shirt my old one is terrible...please mail me w/ any info
Try this site for Charlies t-shirts. They have lots of other
uk bands too.
http://www.rise.co.uk/underworld/index.html
Happy hunting,
Lee
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:28:23 -0400
From: kangela@DAX.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Re: Diversion
>hi!
>
>Diversion is as told a live promo LP. It was recorded live on 26.04.90, and
>Some Friendly was out
>in October the same year. The LP is therefore recorded a half year before
>their debut album. But I don't remember when it was put out, and that may be
>after the release of Some Friendly. The record
>also features 'Always' which is not on any official releases, only promos
>and bootlegs.
i am forever in your debt.
haha how lovely. hi eirik, i bet you know who this is......
maybe some friendly came out on my birthday, which is in october....
bye,
angela
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:26:22 -0400
From: kangela@DAX.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Re: Diversion
>Diversion Is a live promo put out after Some Firendly.
>If I am wrong please someone correct me
thank yew.
bye,
angela
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:38:23 -0400
From: kangela@DAX.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Re: Some Friendly
>What was the reason that the album cover changed on Some friendly?
>It whent form a digitized picture to the picture of them in a field.
>Does any on know why?
because they were abducted by aliens and forced to switch to the new
format. that field is where it all happened.
bye,
angela
kangela@uakron.edu
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:24:31 -0400
From: kangela@DAX.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Re: Diversion
>Diversion is a live album recorded by the charlatans on 4 26 90 i think it
>was recorded either right b4 or after Some friendly came out.......ARE THERE
>ANY FANS IN AUSTIN TEXAS IF SO WRITE ME
i'm in akron ohio, does that count?
your e-mail address isn't on this.
--- kangela@uakron.edu
bye,
angela
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:32:06 -0400
From: kangela@DAX.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Charlatans fans
>Confirmation of reading: your message -
>
> Date: 29 Mar 96 11:12
> To: charlatans@stud2.misjonshs.no
> Subject: Re: Charlatans fans
>
>Was read at 12:32, 12 Apr 96.
>
>'He who laughs last ...
> ... is a bit slow'
>
> Quote courtesy of The Ant Man.
>
>mbcx5rmc@stud.man.ac.uk Tel:(0161) 224 7982
>
>Ha ha!
hee heee ho hooooo hooooooooooo!
kangela@uakron.edu
bye,
angela
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