The Avalyn Digest

Vol.98 #113

July 27th, 1998

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Today's Topics: Re: who do you love Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere Re: who do you love Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere Re: Mogwai/Bardo R.I.P. Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere Bizzare Fest. Tracklisting rather exhaustive windy & carl discography Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere Colfax Abbey question Re: Colfax Abbey question Re: rachel similarities (fwd) swells cd treasure hunt, swirlies, ride? CDs for sale Re: cd treasure hunt, swirlies, ride? The Autumns tour dates Unidentified subject! Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the Avalyn Digest mailing list: * send e-mail to: avalyn-d-request@lysator.liu.se * with the Subject: unsubscribe To post to the Avalyn mailing list: * use the address: avalyn@lysator.liu.se Digest back issues can be found through FTP and HTTP: ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/avalyn/ http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html () Please take care not to include the entire digest in your () reply, only the message(s) you are replying to. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:49:23 EDT From: KingoGrief@aol.com Subject: Re: who do you love In a message dated 98-07-26 14:49:16 EDT, you write: << everytime people post what they like it is the same sh*t granted i like some of that sh*t but it is always something like flying saucer attack, seefeel, an april march, the autumns (who are brilliant), bardo pond... when i met neil at the sxsw show i asked him what he had been listening to and he said nick drake... >> ...and it shows in his work...i'd recommend *bryter layter* to everyone on the list who doesn't own it already, but i guess nobody's going to take me seriously now that i've admitted owning those hanson albums...c'mon, i dig bubblegum!! is that so wrong?? i haven't heard "who do you love" yet, but from what i've heard of the newer m3 work, i don't see what the problem is...so far, i don't think i'll like the new album as much as *ask me tomorrow*, but i'm not horrified, either...i'll always prefer slowdive to m3, but i can respect neil & rachel's wishes to leave that all behind (obligatory ride reference) and explore new territory (well, new to them, anyhow)...you don't have to like it, but i don't see how any sellout accusations are relevant...just face it: slowdive is no more...it has ceased to be...acknowledge its passing, celebrate its memory, and join the rest of us in 1998, ok? sorry to be harsh, but a relaity check is in order, i believe... cheers, jeff p.s. i wouldn't go as far as saying the autumns are brilliant, but they are quite good...check out *the angel pool*, but only after you've purchased *bryter layter*... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 20:40:16 -0600 From: Tired Hungry Bear Subject: Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere never heard lycia, but i have hear soul whirling somewhere, on projekt as i recall, ive only heard his album with the girl on the cover (2 cd's) sounds like a guy with a guitar and a keyboard singing melodramatic stuff about how much he loves this girl and how he wishes he was dead (thats my take) i liked the music alot but i thought the lyrics were really hmm lacking, the same thing is said on every song over and over (almost literally) though im sure some people would really enjoy this i personally dont... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: professor plum Subject: Re: who do you love > A majority of muscians that I have worked with get sheer > enjoyment out of duplication, not influence. This is evidenced by just > listening to the radio. maybe so, but i find from my experience working at various record labels that bands that have been accused of selling out have nothing of the sort on their agenda. they're actually doing their own thing, however bad i might find the music to be. in general. i find that giving artists (and people in general) the benefit of the doubt goes a long way. >> reserve the words "selling out" for a group like metallica or something-- i >> mean, group haircuts, come on! > > Don't be so offended. I appreciate Mojave 3 as much as anyone else, but > when they make a move that is so obvious why call it anything other than > what it is. what?! it's pretty obvious to ME at least that a group like mojave 3 will never break big and make bankroll -- the best that they can hope for, doing the kind of music that they do, is to build a good fan base, play music and live all right without having to work day jobs on the side, and maybe inspire some people to live and love a little more (as corny as that sounds). that's why i don't think it makes sense to even bring up the question of selling out when talking about mojave 3. ; e. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:48:18 -0400 From: "avalyn" Subject: Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere All I remember about Lycia is very heavy with slow strong beats ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:46:38 -0400 From: "Cox, Jonathan Campbell" Subject: Re: Mogwai/Bardo R.I.P. I picked up Windy & Carl's Depths CD a couple of weeks ago and support their apparent strong recommendation on this list, especially if you like Slowdive's version of Golden Hair. Anyway, my request is for someone to either send me or point me in the direction of a Windy and Carl discography including formats. Any info on Bowery Electric, Colfax Abbey, and Grimble Grumble would be appreciated. I have not been able to find much on the web about them. Thanks JC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:45:44 EDT From: Bluemuse8@aol.com Subject: Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere last night i went to the projekt records show and in my own personal opinion it was very good..the bands walked around and i was able to talk to quite a few people...the ...arcanta opened, sans the band (it was only one guy and at a goth show that takes guts to do everything alone)..then voltaire played and the lead singer is wonderfully funny and wicked....and i got this free zine he writes called oh my goth (which is very amusing)..then lycia played and they were very good and then black tape for a blue girl..all in all i was impressed..and i was lucky enough to become aquainted with the violin player from voltaire and be invited backstage\ tohereknowswhen sabrina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:40:41 -0700 From: "Kalhoun" Subject: Bizzare Fest. Tracklisting Hello. Does anyone have the tracklisting to the show Slowdive played at the Bizzare Festival in '92? I'd really appreciate the info. Thanks a lot! Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 01:57:55 +0600 From: box-and-whiskers Subject: rather exhaustive windy & carl discography quoth jonathan campbell cox: > I picked up Windy & Carl's Depths CD a couple of weeks ago and support their > apparent strong recommendation on this list, especially if you like > Slowdive's version of Golden Hair. that's a pretty good comparison. > Anyway, my request is for someone to > either send me or point me in the direction of a Windy and Carl discography > including formats. alright, i'll try to tackle this as i've actually been sporadically working on a w&c discography webpage for a few months now. i figured enough of you would be interested for me to post to the entire list (and suck up so much bandwidth!). this may not be entirely complete, as it's just what i've been able to come up with on my own, but it's most of it anyhow. okay, here goes... (in chronological order) lp/cd: portal cd (ba-da-bing bing-004) drawing of sound lp (blue flea 07) drawing of sound cd (icon ic126) antarctica (the bliss out, vol.2) 12"/cd (darla drl 027-1/2) depths dbl lp/cd (kranky krank024) "near and far" from split cd with amp (blue flea 09) 7"/10"/cs: watersong/dragonfly 7" (blue flea 1) instrumentals ep 7" (burnt hair singe 01) self-titled cs (blue flea 2) portal cs (blue flea 3) emerald/fragments of time & space 7" (enraptured rapt4501) "left without air" from split 7" with fxa (blue flea 4 / mind expansion me-003) christmas cs (blue flea 6) radio performances cs (blue flea 8) "green" from split 7" with hopewell (burnt hair singe 007) "christmas song" from enraptured yuletide forty five (split 7" with grimble grumble) (enraptured rapt4509) "crazy in the sun" from split 7" with silver apples (rocket girl rgirl11) a dream of blue 10" (ochre och017) compilation tracks: "smeared" from mind expansion volume 1 7" "program" from electronic evocations: a tribute to the silver apples 10"/cd "birds" from detroit electric cd "preparation" from monsters, robots and bug men dbl cd "beyond asleep" from disco sucks 7"boxset/cd "clouds within you" from go sonic 001 7" "marble dream" from angelfood electronics 12"(volume two)/cd "fuzzy" from chunklet magazine cd "underground" from sunday sept.14th.'97 cd "awhile" and "lighthouse" from terrastock live cd "warm like december" from solutions & remedies cd "so near, so far" from after the flood2 dbl cd other projects: five way mirror "untitled" from badaboom gramophone #2 cd (i think there's at least one cassette release as well) once dreamt drifting 12" (blue flea 5) and there you go. hey, you asked for it. :] > Any info on Bowery Electric, visit randy's well-done page at or brainwashed at or beggars banquet at > Colfax Abbey, well, there's the the two full-lengths, _drop_ (their 'shoegaze' album) and _penetrate_ (their 'ambient' album), both on prospective records, and apparently there's a 7" too. > and Grimble Grumble would be appreciated. well, if you'd like a discography, i could probably dig one up, but i'm not feeling that adventurous at the moment! :] they're very good though. > I have not been able to find much on the web about them. me neither. i have way too much free time, susan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:22:29 +1000 (EST) From: Alister Thomas Subject: Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere > Have you guys heard of the group called Lycia Yep, I got my 1st couple of Lycia albums the other week. I have to admit that I liked them more than other Projekt stuff that I've heard. The thing that baffled me the most was the fact that they're always described a "gothy" and "dark". I didn't think that this was the case at all. Their music has struck me as being very "dreamy" and laid back. In fact, I'd liken it to relaxation music. It's rather ethereal and often very beautiful. Very synth-based with other instruments mixed in to sound as though they were recorded in the room next door (Ie. very soft). It's really nice and a lot of their work I would liken to Vangelis, actually (think of his track "Antarctica" and you'll get an idea of the vein of music that Lycia do) and perhapsd Brian Eno or even a little like Black Tape for a Blue Girl except much more cohesive sounding (they use less instruments, for starters!) and have nicer vocals that blend with the music really well (I don't like many of the vocals that Black Tape have - too much of it is like sandpaper over my ears after listening to some of their beautiful soundscapes that don't have vocals). Lycia are really good. The album I would recommend from the only 3 that I have heard ("A day in the stark corner", "Cold" and "Estrella") is "Cold". This album has some truly beautiful moments and is really, really nice to listen to as relaxation music. Don't listen to the "goth" hype!!! They have a few harsh vocals (which you can hardly figure out most of the time because they're mixerd in so closely with the actual music) but the music is much more dreamy than dark... Alister ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:36:51 +1000 (EST) From: Alister Thomas Subject: Colfax Abbey question I got the Colfax Abbey EP "Penetrate" the other day and thought it was ok-ish but am told that their album "Drop" is quite different to this EP. I'll be getting this one, soon, also. How do the 2 releases compare??? Alister ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:57:24 -0400 (EDT) From: professor plum Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey question > I got the Colfax Abbey EP "Penetrate" the other day and thought it was > ok-ish but am told that their album "Drop" is quite different to this EP. > I'll be getting this one, soon, also. How do the 2 releases compare??? drop - belongs in 1992, ride+verve+slowdive penetrate - more 1994-5ish, when our beloved shoegazers went ambient penetrate imho is a waste of time, but drop (which you can find in many used bins) is a classic (a late one, albeit). highly recommended, baby! ; e. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:19:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Gilham Subject: Re: rachel similarities (fwd) hey --- I was going thru my and realised the below never went to the List. Not that it really matters ... but I thought some might get a laugh outta it -- if they'd not already ... AND, I really do think that Rachel is more attracive than Gillian Anderson ... [though I've just seen _Rachel_ in person] :-) about the list of attractive males [while I'm on the subject ;-) ] : I dunno, Neil was the only one I really agreed w/ [that I remember] ... I mean Ian Masters?? That's really a stretch [no offense] ... geez, I feel really base discussing these superficial things ... okay, so I think I better leave off! :-) love, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:41:57 +0200 From: "LOSING TODAY" Subject: swells does anyone know the Swells?? their debut mini cd is wonderful and has slowdive influences ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:58:49 -0300 From: Shaun Schmeisser Subject: cd treasure hunt, swirlies, ride? Sorry, but i just had to boast about today's used cd find... Ride -nowhere $12 My Bloody Valentine -glider ep $5 MBV -tremelo ep $5 MBV -you made me realize ep $5 Low -songs for a dead pilot vinyl $10 Same store that had all this had (as listed in their computerized database) Slowdrive -morningraise ep :) I already have it so if anyone is interested, it's only $5. Email me.. I'd also like to really recommend the first Swirlies album "Blonder Tounge Audio Baton". Very early MBV'ish but better (IMO). Anyone know if their other stuff is as good? Also, this being my first ride cd (nowhere), what's their other stuff like? shaun ps. where do babys come from? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:38:51 -0700 From: "Kalhoun" Subject: CDs for sale Hello everyone. Sorry for the crosspost, but I'm moving and really need to get rid of some stuff...first come first serve. All prices include postage. Please email me privately at kalhoun@harborside.com if you're interested. Thanks. ColorFilter-Sleep in a Synchotron $5 Ken Ishii-Jelly Tones (Japanese techno-promo, no artwork) $4 Panasonic-Kulma $5 Braniac-Electroshock for President $5 Disque 9-Des Incurables $5 The Hair and Skin Trading Company-Over Valence $5 Beck-Mellow Gold (still sealed) $6 Six Finger Satellite-Severe Exposure $5 Seefeel-More Like Space ep (import) $5 Swervedriver-99th Dream $6 The Divine Comedy-Casanova (2cd version...limited ed.) $10 Supergrass-In it for the Money (2cd version...limited ed.) $10 Mulu-Filmstar (import single) $4 Tarnation-Mirador $5 Purple Ivy Shadows-No Less the Trees than the Stars (promo, no art) $4 Sixteen Deluxe-Emits Showers of Sparks $5 Ocean Colour Scene-1st album on Fontana $5 Armageddon Dildos-Come Armageddon (single...cover's of Everyday is like Sunday...writing on cover) $4 The Wonder Stuff-On the Ropes (promo only single) $4 Smashing Orange-No Return in the End (cutout) $5 Geneva-Into the Blue ep $4 Frente!-Marvin the Album $5 Subcircus-Carousel $5 Longpigs-The Sun is Often Out $5 Mundy-Life's a Cinch (promo single) $4 Natalie Merchant-Tigerlily $5 Baby chaos-Safe Sex, Designer Drugs, etc. (cutout) $5 China Drom-Goosefair $5 3 Colours Red-Pure $5 Airhead-Boing! (import) $6 Erasure-In my arms (promo single w/remix) $5 Vinyl Lps Test Dept.- Terra Firma $5 Daft Punk-Homework (2 lps, still sealed!) $10 Chug-Little Things (still sealed 10") $5 Face To Face-Big Choice (blue vinyl-played once) $5 Dink-Get on it (12" single w/ remixes-swirl vinyl) $5 Dish-Boneyard Beach (still sealed) $5 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:50:28 -0700 From: Richard Henson Subject: Re: cd treasure hunt, swirlies, ride? Almost all of their other material is crap. There is a collection of ep's (i think it's called Smile) that's pretty good and the next album after nowhere, Going Blank Again that is okay (but it does have the best ride song ever on it). If you want to hear that song (Leave Them All Behind), just get the ep of the same name because it has the only two good songs from the album plus a really kick-ass, thirteen minute non-album track, grasshopper. That's really all the ride i like (coming from a shoegazer background) - some people like their other albums too, i don't. Not nearly as many effects and a lot of just plain bad song writing (if you do happen to get Going Blank Again or get a chance to hear it, just listen to the song right after Leave them All Behind, it sucks the fatest cock. It is a genuine piece of shit. I have no idea what they were thinking writing a song like Leave Them All Behind and then putting that rat turd right after it on the album. Anyway, that's my take on ride. Oh yeah, the live album's pretty good too; it has some good live versions of crappy songs. - richard At 02:58 PM 7/27/98 -0300, you wrote: > Also, this being my first ride cd (nowhere), what's their other stuff > like? > > shaun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:08:44 -0500 From: Andrew Freeman Subject: The Autumns tour dates http://members.aol.com/autumns07/ I think I'll be going to one of the dallas dates. Not sure yet. Andrew mailto:afreeman@wt.net Andrew Freeman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:05:30 +0100 From: "Yaz" Subject: Unidentified subject! hello everyone. does anyone know who is playing along with mojave 3 at ulu on Wednesday night? cheers. ------------------------------ End of Avalyn Digest Vol.98 #113 ********************************
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