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Vol.98 #112

July 27th, 1998

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Today's Topics: review: who do you love Re: who do you love Who Do You Love indeed... Re: who do you love Re: who do you love Re: who do you love cheap slowdive CD's Re: who do you love Re: who do you love Re: who do you love Re: who do you love Re: Who Do You Love indeed... Re: who do you love Odp: wanted artists-compilation Re: who do you love Re: who do you love Re: who do you love Re: who do you love Re: who do you love lycia & soul whirling somewhere Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the Avalyn Digest mailing list: * send e-mail to: avalyn-d-request@lysator.liu.se * with the Subject: unsubscribe To post to the Avalyn mailing list: * use the address: avalyn@lysator.liu.se Digest back issues can be found through FTP and HTTP: ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/avalyn/ http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html () Please take care not to include the entire digest in your () reply, only the message(s) you are replying to. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:13:05 +0300 From: pisara@iki.fi Subject: review: who do you love I just the new Mojave 3 Ep and here are my thoughts... The name track is hm kinda "Ask me tomorrow" like. Very calm and beautiful. A song you play before going to bed. "This Road I'm Travelling" is the best track I think... It just takes me with it. It's a bit 'faster' than the other songs and is just... good. "Between Us" is a slower song again and night time music like "Who do you love". It's good but not superior good. If the new album will be like this Ep I'm not complaining I like the sound though I think that Neil sings somehow in a little different way than in "Ask me tomorrow"? By the way how much does this Ep cost in England? I paid 10 for it and I think that was rather much (though they had to order it for me to here Finland but still..). Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 15:39:43 -0600 From: Tired Hungry Bear Subject: Re: who do you love i got who do you love yesterday and although its growing on me its still a big let down, hamond organs some brass and very retro sounding, very little rachel like "ask me tomorrow" the best track in my opinion is "between us" the ending of it is very nice too bad the whole things doesnt resemble this sound, and of course neils voice is sounding like bob dylan (if youre into that sound).. anyway yeah its growing on me but its nothing like ask me tomorrow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:29:51 -0400 From: "Mark Stancombe" Subject: Who Do You Love indeed... Hey... > bob dylan (if youre into that sound).. anyway yeah its growing on me but > its nothing like ask me tomorrow I would have to agree with you to a certain point - I think this Mojave 3 record is going to be the complete departure from the band that we knew and love; Ask Me Tommorrow being the first step. You can tell from the demos to the finished pieces that Neil has definietly taken the bull by the horns and is definietly intent on charting with real singles - this first EP is proof of that. God bless 'em, but it just seems to me that the band dismissed too quickly the band that they used to be - the one that brought meaning to so many of my days at least - Ride did this as well. I wish these bands would realize that what they achieved in their "messing about" and with their "apprenticeships" and their "un-originality" they were creating some truly mind-blowing states of mind that far exceded the medium of which the art had been transposed. So disturbing that all of these "shoegazers" allowed themselves to be bought and sold by the narrow views and beliefs that the media labelled and pigeonholed them with. I am sure the NME are proud of their "creations"...anyone else feel the same...? Sincerely, Sillabyss... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:46:48 EDT From: Binoche21@aol.com Subject: Re: who do you love i am a little let down with the single also. all the songs, except maybe the third one which i can't even listen to, sound almost like.. i don't know. just very straight forward. do you think it would be safe to say this is probably going to be mojave3's souvlaki? if you can build a connection between just for a day and ask me tomorrow. maybe we can look forward to another pygmalion type piece for their next album. either way the single is very catchy. just not what i was expecting. this is sooooooooo much better than "give what you take" anyway! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:56:50 EDT From: Catchbreez@aol.com Subject: Re: who do you love great it sound good already all you people want the same old shit in music all the time that is why music sucks today brand new you're retro i love the new mojave 3 stuff it was wonderful live at sxsw98 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:29:16 -0400 From: "Mark Stancombe" Subject: Re: who do you love > great it sound good already > all you people want the same old shit in music > all the time that is why music sucks today Absolutely not true - I appreciate evolution so long as it is in fact evolution - when you revamp your allustrious sound to adjust yourself to a market, that is something else entirely. The reason why music sucks today is for this very reason - no one wants to take any risks as far as new sounds in music go - after a revolution in digital music and the advent of sound synthesis we humans still rely on musical instruments that were cutting edge over 50 years ago (electric guitar) - enough already! Slowdive were the purveyors of a completely different kind of music - one that was characteristically unique to THEIR generation and not that of our parents. This is definietly not a step forward so much as an incredible fall backwards. Sillabyss.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:46:21 -0600 From: "John-Paul McCarthy" Subject: cheap slowdive CD's here is a link to some slowdive CD's... they prices are cheap... even though they are in US dollars they have just for a day ($9.77) and souvlaki ($9.77) in stock... and even the just for a day import ($16.97)!!! i thought some of you might consider it worth checking out... http://cdu3.cduniverse.com later JP ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 02:11:48 -0600 From: Tired Hungry Bear Subject: Re: who do you love its not that people want the same old shit, we just want good shit.. keep what works and add the new good stuff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 02:18:20 -0600 From: Tired Hungry Bear Subject: Re: who do you love again, slowdive, it was moving forward with effects and whatnot, with the new mojave 3 its retro just like rides tarantula, thats not a step forward, the reason music sucks today is because tis all about going retro and nothing will get on my tits faster then that ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:28:52 -0400 (EDT) From: professor plum Subject: Re: who do you love > Absolutely not true - I appreciate evolution so long as it is in fact > evolution - when you revamp your allustrious sound to adjust yourself to a > market, that is something else entirely. oh come on! some people are just way too willing to condemn bands for "selling out," which is more or less what you are saying. i would give rachel, neil, and co. much more credit than that. ; e. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 02:40:50 -0500 From: geeklet Subject: Re: who do you love hello. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:30:48 +0300 From: Siim Kalder Subject: Re: Who Do You Love indeed... At 18:29 25.07.98 -0400, sillabyss wrote: > I would have to agree with you to a certain point - I think this Mojave 3 > record is going to be the complete departure from the band that we knew and > love; Ask Me Tommorrow being the first step. Ride did this as well. Hmm, I can see your point, but... The more I listen to Ask Me Tomorrow I build the connection with the old Slowdive. I don't have the new single, perhaps it would change my mind, but with Mojave I started to see where a lot of the beauty of many Slowdive songs lies. Of course the sounds are way different, but even there there are similarites. With Ride the departure from their original sound started with Carnival of Light - that's one way of seeing it. There are also many people considering Carnival perhaps the best Ride album, including me, for them the turning point was Tarantula. But at least there is continuity - if people like Carnival, there are people who like Tarantula and there is no strict line between them. With Slowdive/Mojave there is Ask Me Tomorrow instead of Carnival and the nwe stuff instead of Tarantula. We'll see, but I'm sure it won't be that difficult to see the beauty of the music made by the same people, even though changing with time. Peace, Siim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 08:51:04 -0400 From: "Mark Stancombe" Subject: Re: who do you love >> Absolutely not true - I appreciate evolution so long as it is in fact >> evolution - when you revamp your allustrious sound to adjust yourself to a >> market, that is something else entirely. > > oh come on! some people are just way too willing to condemn bands for > "selling out," which is more or less what you are saying. i would give > rachel, neil, and co. much more credit than that. What then do you call it? The band are the first ones to put down their own material (in Slowdive) and refuse to re-release any of it to any fans. It is clear the emphasis for Neil and Rachel are no longer artistic ones seeing commercial potential, but commercial ones seeing artist potential...this is so obvious in everything - right down the the overdubbed trumpets in their new single...they simply gave up and bowed to the press' scrutiny who had it in for "Shoegazers" since day 1....if this isn't selling out I don't know what else to call it... Sillabyss.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 15:23:20 +0200 From: "kyry" Subject: Odp: wanted artists-compilation Hello, My name is Darek and I'm going to release tape by "indie" bands. I still need more material though. If anyone has an indie (especially indiepop) and wants to contribute a song, please contact me. I won't pay for contributions unless I make a profit on the tape, but you will get some copies of the tape. It will be release in Poland and distribute by me in many countries. Thanks, Darek Skrzydlo (KYRY@FRIKO5.ONET.PL) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:54:16 EDT From: Melochrome@aol.com Subject: Re: who do you love In a message dated 98-07-26 09:06:03 EDT, you write: << What then do you call it? The band are the first ones to put down their own material (in Slowdive) and refuse to re-release any of it to any fans. It is clear the emphasis for Neil and Rachel are no longer artistic ones seeing commercial potential, but commercial ones seeing artist potential...this is so obvious in everything - right down the the overdubbed trumpets in their new single...they simply gave up and bowed to the press' scrutiny who had it in for "Shoegazers" since day 1....if this isn't selling out I don't know what else to call it... Sillabyss.... >> First of all it's not up to Neil and Rachel to re-release Slowdive material as they do not own the music, Creation does, and they don't want to give it up unless they get a lot of cash. When Pygmalion came out, Ryko wanted to put it out in the States but Creation wanted a lot of money for it so the deal never happened. And i never knew that putting trumpets on a song was a good way to sell records. hmmmm, maybe that's what has been holding my band back. we never use any trumpets!! wanna get signed to a major? just put some trumpets on your songs!! the kids love those trumpets!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:50:22 +0100 From: Vince Deehan Subject: Re: who do you love All this talk of Neil and Rachel selling out is getting out of hand and not a little preposterous in places (I'm thinking of the trumpet point in particular! Sorry, Mark). Whilst I would be happy for Neil to have continued with Slowdive and to churn out gorgeous music in the same vein as their first 3 EPs forever, I can see that this would hardly be very stimulating for Neil and the gang. Whilst I am not that keen on ASK ME TOMORROW , I am very fond of the new WHO DO YOU LOVE EP and I admire Neil and Rachel for never repeating themselves musically. Just because they are no longer doing the shoegazing music that attracted many of us in the first place and are now doing songs in a more traditional vein does not mean they are selling out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:46:13 -0400 (EDT) From: professor plum Subject: Re: who do you love > It is clear the emphasis for Neil and Rachel are no longer artistic ones > seeing commercial potential, but commercial ones seeing artist > potential...this is so obvious in everything - right down the the > overdubbed trumpets in their new single...they simply gave up and bowed to > the press' scrutiny who had it in for "Shoegazers" since day 1....if this > isn't selling out I don't know what else to call it... that is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard! let me ask you, have you EVER played in a band? or just played an instrument? for an extended period of time? if so, you should know that what musicians write and play are influenced by what they listen to -- and are you really listening to the same shit that you were listening to a year ago? or even three years ago? selling out? more like rediscovery. it's like when the first m3 album came out, people who knew slowdive asked me what it sounded like. basically, i just said, "imagine if slowdive traded in all of their effect pedals for leonard cohen cd's." the songs are still beautiful, and many of the subtler elements of slowdive have been retained; the instrumentation is just really different, and there are some added influences. reserve the words "selling out" for a group like metallica or something -- i mean, group haircuts, come on! ; e. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:45:26 EDT From: Catchbreez@aol.com Subject: Re: who do you love In a message dated 98-07-26 03:27:27 EDT, you write: << its not that people want the same old shit, we just want good shit.. keep what works and add the new good stuff >> isnt good shit relative to that person though? think about it mojave 3 is neil, rachel, ian, simon, (and i forget the keyboard player) they decided to strip down and go for a fore minamal acoustic approach just like every slowdive release was different pygmallion is such a brilliant album and it is so different from just for a day music is so cluttered with so many bands going electronic or effects laden the shoegaze scene i believe was a head of its time but that time is passed in a way many of you are being retro for liking slowdive the way i see slowdive is a brilliant band that was never fully accepted for what they did...if slowdive had never broken up and made a folk record as slowdive would we have this argument. i love to see bands evolve. i cried when i saw mojave 3 at sxsw it was so good. no i havent heard the new single but i saw them perform 9 new songs and i loved it and the pedal steel was great. maybe it is my love for old folk and country music from the 50's, 60's, 70's. i still think most of you are closed minded everytime people post what they like it is the same shit granted i like some of that shit but it is always something like flying saucer attack, seefeel, an april march, the autumns (who are brilliant), bardo pond.... we i met neil at the sxsw show i asked him what he had been listening to and he said nick drake..i was so happy to see somebody who like him..you can only do so much with fucking delay pedal and chorus steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:25:22 -0400 From: "Mark Stancombe" Subject: Re: who do you love > that is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard! let me ask you, have you > EVER played in a band? or just played an instrument? for an extended > period of time? if so, you should know that what musicians write and play > are influenced by what they listen to -- and are you really listening to the > same shit that you were listening to a year ago? or even three years ago? First of all, I am a producer, an engineer, a synthesist, a guitarist, a vocalist, a back-up vocalist, a mixing engineer, a booking agent, a manager, a writer, a composer, an arranger and an artist. I work with a variety of bands in a variety of ways so I do know exactly what I am talking about. A majority of muscians that I have worked with get sheer enjoyment out of duplication, not influence. This is evidenced by just listening to the radio. My musical tastes are not subject to the changing of the weather, either. I still enjoy artists such as Inspiral Carpets, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, The Stone Roses, RIDE, SLOWDIVE, etc, etc, etc. I even still enjoy U2's Unforgettable Fire which I have been listening to for about 13 years (in various formats). > reserve the words "selling out" for a group like metallica or something -- i > mean, group haircuts, come on! Don't be so offended. I appreciate Mojave 3 as much as anyone else, but when they make a move that is so obvious why call it anything other than what it is. As for the trumpet remarks, well, the use of traditional instruments in a songs arrangement has helped sell records since The Beatles "Yesterday". Sincerely, Sillabyss... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:59:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Alvin de Leon Subject: lycia & soul whirling somewhere Have you guys heard of the group called Lycia and Soul Whirling Somewhere........ what do they sound like..??? xoxo ------------------------------ End of Avalyn Digest Vol.98 #112 ********************************
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