The Avalyn Digest

Vol.98 #101

July 15th, 1998

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Today's Topics: Re: ...and because. Re: ...and because. Re: ...and because. MP3s find a home Re: mice gaze at the caseous moon Yet Another Slowdive Compilation Update.... Re: mice gaze at the caseous moon Windy & Carl / Mahogany show Re: Yet Another Slowdive Compilation Update.... Slowdive's name Re: Slowdive's name Re: Slowdive's name if you are bored.... Thoughts on Blue Day... Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life Re: Thoughts on Blue Day... Re: Thoughts on Blue Day... Re: Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life Re: Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life Mogwai Re: Thoughts on Blue Day... Re: Thoughts on Blue Day... Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the Avalyn Digest mailing list: * send e-mail to: avalyn-d-request@lysator.liu.se * with the Subject: unsubscribe To post to the Avalyn mailing list: * use the address: avalyn@lysator.liu.se Digest back issues can be found through FTP and HTTP: ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/avalyn/ http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html () Please take care not to include the entire digest in your () reply, only the message(s) you are replying to. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:56:09 EDT From: KingoGrief@aol.com Subject: Re: ...and because. In a message dated 98-07-12 23:52:38 EDT, rainboy wrote: << album: pygmalion. i think, so far, i am the only one who picked this. this is the most amazing, brilliant piece of art ever committed to tape. the end. >> believe me, i have a tough time choosing between *souvlaki* and *pygmalion* as the absolute best slowdive album...i chose *souvlaki* for the poll because 80% of my top-5-songs list came from it...but then again, i think *pygmalion* is best appreciated as a whole...it's a tough call... jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:50:01 -0400 From: "Mark Stancombe" Subject: Re: ...and because. Hey... > pygmalion is definitely my favorite as well because it still holds > those slowdive elements (echo, floating sounds) and as an album, i think it > feels like a complete whole whereas both Just for a day and souvlaki seem > more splintered. Actually some of my favorite albums (Xuvetyn and Loveless) > are similar to pygmalion because I see them as a whole instead of individual > songs. The only reason I didn't like Pygmalion as much as Slowdive's other records is because it sounds like Neil basically ditched everybody in the band (including Rachel!) and was just messing about with some computers and technology. I was kind of disapointed when I first heard Pygmalion. If Slowdive had put together another record like "Souvlaki" Slowdive probably could have achieved great levels of success. I remember hearing "Allison" quite alot on the radio and on "Muchmusic" here in Canada. Probably Eno's influence that lead to Pygmalion - still breathtaking in every way, but disapointing as it ended their career. Sincerely, Sillabyss....(ie: Mark) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:39:49 EDT From: Catchbreez@aol.com Subject: Re: ...and because. i agree pymallion is more of a work of art and the songs are great but when you see it as a whole and compare it to the rest of the albums it stands out ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:45:23 -0500 From: Byron Subject: MP3s find a home Ok, even though I still think everyone on the list should mail me a dollar =) it seems that the non-album slowdive MP3s have found a home. Just point your browsers to: http://www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/~tmoeller/Music/Slowdive/ and you will find everything (including Some Velvet Morning for you non-U.S. Souvlaki owners), with the following exceptions: Albatross Avalyn 1 Shine Slowdive Losing Today Catch The Breeze (Holding Our Breath version) By Sunday afternoon/evening the collection should be complete. All of these files total to nearly 100 MB of web storage space, so many thanks go to Torsten for hosting the site! (Of course, I was the one who paid the money to acquire the originals, and spent the time converting them to MP3s, and uploading them... heheh - how's about if the list ever prints up custom t-shirts or live/bootleg CDs I get a free one? :] ) Ok, see you later. Agent Cooper -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:56:10 EDT From: Catchbreez@aol.com Subject: Re: mice gaze at the caseous moon grimble grumble never heard of them then again i dont want a band to sound like slowdive i like the influecne in a band but bands need their own sound i have said it once and ill say it again the autumns are a band i think that captures the essence of souvlaki era slowdive and combines with with their own emotion steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:48:54 -0400 From: "Mark Stancombe" Subject: Yet Another Slowdive Compilation Update.... Hey everyone... Just to give you all an update on that live Slowdive bootleg I am in the process of compiling. We have tracked down a signifigant number of tracks already, but unfortunately are missing still the Peel Sessions. If anyone has these please e-mail me. Just let it be known also that everyone that sends me material to contribute to this compilation will receive their copy without any cost - in other words I will cover the cost of pastage for them and the price of the CDR. I just finished mastering some of my own Mojave 3 rare stuff. I have 4 songs recorded at an HMV in-store here in Toronto as well as a showcase at their "Shaving The Pavement Tour" a couple of summers back. If this Slowdive boot fails to materialize (I really really hope it won't) I will focus my attention on distributing this material to anyone that wants it. For now though lets just focus on this incredible Slowdive compilation. Please e-mail me at sillabyss@sprint.ca if we haven't already had correspondence. As I mentioned earlier we have collected alot of the material for this comp already and are just waiting for the material to arrive. Those mailing me material - please let me know if there are any problems with this and we can work something out. Anyways, lets all hope for the best on this one - I want to see everyone owning a copy by September. Thanks everyone for your support... Sincerely, Sillabyss (ie: Mark E. Stancombe, etc...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:46:58 -0400 (EDT) From: mike p Subject: Re: mice gaze at the caseous moon > firstly, much to my HORROR, not a single soul included > grimble grumble in their top ten's. this is absolutely mind boggling to > me, considering this is a slowdive list and all, and they're the ONLY > band to come close to slowdive's beauty (in my opinion)... well, to some.. grimble grumble = boring space rock. good background music to me,.. well you guessed. but slowdive is still magic mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:50:58 PDT From: "Matthew Allen" Subject: Windy & Carl / Mahogany show Few bands come close to matching the beauty that Slowdive created in their live sets, but these bands did more than an admirable job this past weekend in Chicago. If either of these bands come to your town, do not hesitate to check them out. I've never seen the crowd at the Empty Bottle so mellow, especially since the last time I had been there was on July 4th to catch Bardo Pond (American Independence Day -- where kids were shooting bottle rockets at my car -- made me feel as if I were in Beirut.) Both nights were noisy, but the Windy & Carl set was much more subtle. Mahogany was equally as breathtaking. I thought I saw someone wearing a "Souvlaki" tour shirt in the audience, too. An all around enjoyable evening! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:54:07 -0500 From: "whipsnade." Subject: Re: Yet Another Slowdive Compilation Update.... hrm. At 08:48 AM 7/14/98 -0400, Mark Stancombe wrote: > I just finished mastering some of my own Mojave 3 rare stuff. I have 4 > songs recorded at an HMV in-store here in Toronto as well as a showcase at > their "Shaving The Pavement Tour" a couple of summers back. If this > Slowdive boot fails to materialize (I really really hope it won't) I will > focus my attention on distributing this material to anyone that wants it. > For now though lets just focus on this incredible Slowdive compilation. i think it would be nice to have "trying to reach you" on the compliation or something...its an amazing song, and im so very disappointed its not going to be on "out of tune" (which i am not impressed with at all, from what ive heard thus far..) douglaspaul. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Fletcher Subject: Slowdive's name Where did Slowdive get their name? Anyone know or remember? I think Neil mentioned once that he had a dream in which he remembered two words: Slowdive and Slowburn... Any insight would be appreciated... Thanks... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:45:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Lorraine Lelis Subject: Re: Slowdive's name On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Ryan Fletcher wrote: > Where did Slowdive get their name? Anyone know or remember? I think > Neil mentioned once that he had a dream in which he remembered two > words: Slowdive and Slowburn... Any insight would be appreciated... > Thanks... you just answered the question yourself! although what's ironic is that siouxsie and the banshees have a song called "slowdive" and rachel was a really big siouxsie fan... lorraine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:18:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Gilham Subject: Re: Slowdive's name On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Ryan Fletcher wrote: > Where did Slowdive get their name? Anyone know or remember? I think > Neil mentioned once that he had a dream in which he remembered two > words: Slowdive and Slowburn... Any insight would be appreciated... > Thanks... this info can be found on one of the Slowdive web-sites. Sorry, but i am not sure which one -- maybe even both?? By the way, you have the story pretty close, there ... The name was, in fact, taken from a dream Neil had ... Although, it so happens, it was the title of a Banshees' song, and single, some several years earlier ... Of course, this is mostly, or all, coincidence .... cheers, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:01:39 -0700 From: Kevin Wood jamie@cris.com Subject: if you are bored.... hey all.... if any of you are bored, check out a new song I did over the weekend.... It's my solo project "snowmobile"...the song is tentatively called "paint yourself a picture." (fellow Solarium bandmate Eliot plays bass on this track as well) It's a little different than the other snowmobile songs I have sent out....it is pretty long(8 1/2 minutes) and builds itself with lots of different instruments adding to the mix.... anyway, let me know what you guys think! (it's encoded in RealAudio...one at 32kbps, and one at 80kbps for those with fast connections....of course the 80kbps sounds much much better as the drums dont get lost in the compression...) http://www.news.com/Beta/kwood/pictureLOW.ram http://www.news.com/Beta/kwood/pictureHIGH.ram thanks! -kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:53:46 +1000 (EST) From: Alister Thomas Subject: Thoughts on Blue Day... I have often wondered why everyone seems to kick up such a fuss over the holy grail for Slowdive collectors/listeners, Blue Day. I mean, fair enough that the music on it is great etc. but there are some points of logic that I just don't seem to be able to get past when considering how much people pay for it and how much people seem to want it. Firstly, it is a collection of their 1st three EP's (minus a few tracks - critical point) meaning that if one were to get those 3 EP's separately, then there'd be no need to get Blue Day. Secondly, it is incomplete - there are 3 tracks missing from Blue Day that you can get on the 3 EP's, if you were to get them separately. Thirdly, considering the prices I have seen Blue Day being sold for (up to US$200), wouldn't it be cheaper and more sensible to just buy the first 3 EP's??? I mean, you wouldn't have any tracks missing, like you do with Blue Day. It would aslo be A HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER to but the 3 EP's than it would to buy the single Blue Day CD (the 3 EP's would aslo be a lot easier to find, I can assure you). Given these facts, it is beyond me why people seem to want Blue Day so much!! I mean, it's a collectors item, sure, but unless you're a Slowdive completist (which is an expensive little hobby!), then where does it's value lie?? Ok, ok - I hear the usual supply/demand arument being hurled at me from all quarters (and that's a valid argument) but if you were so desparate to get this music, then it would be a more worthwhile venture to track the 1st three EP's down, for reasons I've already stated. I was looking through the back issues of the Avalyn Digest and I have seen a lot of people asking for copies of Blue Day to be made for them. I find this to be quite strange. Why not just ask for a copy of the 1st three EP's??? I mean, if you're a collector, then what value does a mere COPY of Blue Day have???? Bear all of these points in mind when I ask the question: where on earth does the value of Blue Day lie??? (unless you're a serious collector). I'm often baffled by the whole Blue Day phenomenon... Alister ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:13:56 -0300 From: Shaun Schmeisser Subject: Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life Noticed my local HMV was stocking Laika's Sounds of the Satellites and Mogwai's Ten Rapid (a big deal here), so i was wondering if these were worth picking up as i've never heard either band before, but have heard they're good... shaun ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:10:53 -0400 (EDT) From: professor plum Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day... it's a nice cohesive collection of early slowdive, and it can be found for as little as $35-40. (yeah, i know, "for a goddamn EP?") ; e. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:38 -0400 (EDT) From: mike p Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day... > you're a serious collector). I'm often baffled by the whole Blue Day > phenomenon... for most people blue day has a sort of mystical value. as you said allistar, i don't know why. maybe cos its rarer than the EPs (?) i think the only reason i ever use the phase "blue day" is cos it's easier to refer to that body of work then naming the EPs or even more pretentiously saying "slowdive's first 3 EPs". thats almost asking for some bystanding conversation listener to blurt out that "oh, i have their demo tape".. without even knowing what band yr talking about. of coure i live with some sarcastic bastards.. oops im rambling mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:03:51 -0400 From: "Mark Stancombe" Subject: Re: Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life > Noticed my local HMV was stocking Laika's Sounds of the Satellites and > Mogwai's Ten Rapid (a big deal here), so i was wondering if these were > worth picking up as i've never heard either band before, but have heard > they're good... "Lower Than The Stars"....Laika are good... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:13:54 -0400 (EDT) From: mike p Subject: Re: Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life > Noticed my local HMV was stocking Laika's Sounds of the Satellites and well, im not a mogwai fan.. but the Laika Cd is really good. it might take some getting used to tho. on first listen i thought it was kindof mainstreamy or something actually. miqe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:38:00 +0100 From: "Samuels, Mark" Subject: Mogwai "well, im not a mogwai fan.. " It's all a matter of opinion and taste I suppose but I think anyone interested in Slowdive should check Mogwai out. Yeah, there's a lot of white noise but there's also some bloody nice songs in there. Check out 'New Paths to Helicon' and 'Tracy' for some of the best British shoegazey type stuff to emerge post-Slowdive. Cheers, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:49:00 -0700 From: aaron Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day... Alister Thomas wrote: > > Firstly, it is a collection > of their 1st three EP's (minus a few tracks - critical point) meaning that > if one were to get those 3 EP's separately, then there'd be no need to get > Blue Day. > Secondly, it is incomplete - there are 3 tracks missing from Blue > Day that you can get on the 3 EP's, if you were to get them separately. > Thirdly, considering the prices I have seen Blue Day being sold for (up to > US$200), wouldn't it be cheaper and more sensible to just buy the first 3 > EP's??? I mean, you wouldn't have any tracks missing, like you do with Blue > Day. wait, let me get this straight. so, if i buy all three eps then i won't need blue day? > It would aslo be A HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER to but the 3 EP's than it > would to buy the single Blue Day CD (the 3 EP's would aslo be a lot easier > to find, I can assure you). Up until a year or two ago, blue day and holding our breath were going for about the same price. I'm not sure why the going rate for blue day has doubled in the last 12 or 18 months (at least on this list) > Given these facts, it is beyond me why people > seem to want Blue Day so much!! it has a nice cover. > I was looking through the back issues of the Avalyn Digest > and I have seen a lot of people asking for copies of Blue Day to be made > for them. I find this to be quite strange. Why not just ask for a copy of > the 1st three EP's??? people don't always know what's on (or not on) blue day. they usually mean that they want a copy of all the old stuff. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:02:34 +0300 (EET DST) From: henrik Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day... On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, aaron wrote: > it has a nice cover. ...which is a fact that can hardly be overlooked. through all their releases i know, slowdive have had the best cover designs i've seen so far. see souvlaki us edition or pygmalion, for example. i seem to have an obsession about this, as it was actually pygmalion's sleeve design that first got me interested in slowdive (as weird as that may be). h. ...forgot to mention just for a day... -- Moritz.botany.ut.ee/~kukulain ------------------------------ End of Avalyn Digest Vol.98 #101 ********************************
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