The Avalyn Digest

Vol.98 #065

April 30th, 1998

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Today's Topics: Eno - An Ending davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content) Re: pale saints and emotive force out for now- re: Sianspheric/Sonic Unyon Re: CD swaps? Re: CD swaps? Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content) Re: Eno - An Ending Bon Voyage! Re: Sweredriver on Slowdive (hot off the press) Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content) Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content) 5/4 and spiritualized Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the Avalyn Digest mailing list: * send e-mail to: avalyn-d-request@lysator.liu.se * with the Subject: unsubscribe To post to the Avalyn mailing list: * use the address: avalyn@lysator.liu.se Digest back issues can be found through FTP and HTTP: ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/avalyn/ http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html () Please take care not to include the entire digest in your () reply, only the message(s) you are replying to. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:24:57 -0500 (EST) From: bLenDER Subject: Eno - An Ending I found the CD I MP3'd the song http://www.bewley.net/~ben/AnEnding.mp3 don't expect it to up for more than a few days... BTW, this is the music that ends the OSLO show. And the whole CD is GREAT. VERY slowdive at points. Hey Kids: Notice the new address. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:22:37 +0600 From: box-and-whiskers Subject: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content) this list seems to be frequented by quite a few assholes these days. anyway, i'm just posting this in the interest of anyone who is trying to get that copy of _outside your room_ from this guy. it was my understanding that i was the first one in line, and all i did was ask if it would be alright to send u.s.$ (as the banks here do their best to rip people off by charging ridiculous surcharges to issue checks in foreign currency, and most of them do not do direct currency exchanges). this is the response i got. i've bought things from people via the 'net dozens of times and have never encountered such an attitude. all of you can hurl obscenities at certain individuals who want $50 for a copy of _holding our breath_ until you're blue in the face; i for one would much rather pay the fucking $50 and at least get courteous treatment then deal with a shithead like this. good luck to anyone who decides to send him the cash; hopefully he'll keep his end of the bargain. (oh, and dave, please don't bother to harass me; you're a fool if you thought that i'd excuse your hot-headed response.) > yeah. if you can get your ass into gear and send me a ten pound note... its > not really that hard. i offer to do a favour for some people and it becomes > such a fucking hassle. can you send me a ten pound (stirling) note? yes or > no? first person who sez yes and agrees to send it. and gets the cd... > simple. i dont want to pissfart around with money orders of any crap like > that... i cant cash them so they are no use to me... >| uh, correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't you already promise the cd to me? >| what gives? >| >| > i'm in london. 7 sterling for the cd and 3 sterling for postage. if >| > you send me a 10 sterling note then we have a deal. you send me the >| > money and i send u the cd. cool? >| > >| >| Where about in britain are you, email me if some1 hasnt alrady asked >| >| take u up on your offer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Gilham Subject: Re: pale saints and emotive force On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Lorraine Lelis wrote: > i definitely think the pale saints are underrated! their songwriting is > so good, they stay up there with mbv and slowdive for me. They're _definitely_ under-exposed, like, for sure! :D Pale Saints were always a very different sort of band than Slowdive who were very different than MBV .... > even when you just look at time signatures, pale saints are very creative > there- "ordeal" uses an interesting what is it? 5/4? there is so much > dynamic beauty on comforts of madness - my favorite ps album- much work > put into > "true coming dream" > "sea of sound" (harmonies) To each his/her own ;-) But, I would suggest that COMFORTS is a worthwhile album to get ... I just don't feel they were even close to top form on that one ... from where I stand it all started w/ the HALF-LIFE(REMEMBERED) 12" ... > when you get into spoonfed hybrid et al, there's even more amazing > songwriting... "boys in zinc" blows me away. Do you feel that Spoonfed Hybrid is Masters' best work?? Anyone else care to weigh in on this? ... Still championing the sadly departed Pale Saints, michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:05:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: out for now- hey everybody-> well, i leave soon for my trip to europe, so if anyone needs to reach me, i'll be unsubbed, and my e-mail account will most likly expire soon, so i can be reached at clairecords@hotmail.com for a while. daniel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 17:06:54 UT From: "Lisa Johnson" Subject: re: Sianspheric/Sonic Unyon Sianspheric/Sonic Unyon on the web: http://www.worldchat.com/public/mramsay/sianspheric/index.html http://www.sonicunyon.com surely you can order "Somnium" via info/address at their site... they also have some audio samples up... don't recall the details, but check it out... Off to work! Gary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Petrina Katsikas Subject: Re: CD swaps? Is your web page gage5.html a list of all the things you are looking for? It very strangely looks like a list of the CDs I own so I thought maybe it was a list of what you own. I swear it was very strange b/c I have catalogued my stuff and we have VERY similar lists! I have a friend with a CD-R and I'm going to see if he'll let me use it. I might even be up for trades. Let me know which of the following you would just die for. Talk to you soon, ---Gage Crump wrote: > > I just bought 60 blank CDs at a dollar a pot and am wondering if there is > are any people out there who have access to a CD burner who would like to > trade CD-Rs of out of print stuff (I'm against bootlegging things that are > readily available, so don't ask). I will not sell anything so please do > not ask. I only wish to trade for CD-Rs of music which is near impossible > to find otherwise. I have the following on CD which I think are now fairly > rare: > > Blue Day - Slowdive > Outside your Room- Slowdive > Ecstasy and Wine - MBV > This Is Your Blood Valentine - MBV > Mrs. Dolphin - Pale Saints > Eyes Wide e.p. - Blind Mr.Jones > Crazy Jazz e.p. - Blind Mr. Jones > Engine Common, Fountain Island, Glass Arcade - Sarah Records comps > Waaaaah CD - Sarah bands comp. > Coastal - Field Mice > For Keeps - Field Mice > Snowball - Field Mice > Sunburst e.p. - Chapterhouse > > and I'm sure several others which I can't think of right now. you can look > at http://devbio-mac1.ucsf.edu/gage/gage5.html for others if you want. > > I'm interested in stuff such as Freefall e.p. from Chapterhouse, > Telescopes e.p.'s, Slowdive/Holding Our Breath e.p.s (well, really just > Avalyn II and Golden Hair), Moonshakes "Creation" first e.p., anything > else by Field Mice, other Sarah Record comp's, Stereolab's Amorphous, > Northern Picture Library's "Blue Dissolve", Ecstasy of Saint Theresa's > first, and other stuff that would cost exorbitantly at collector's > prices. > > Again, I'm only interested in CD-Rs of rare/very hard to find music. I > already have some of the above stuff taped (but my tapes are very bad by > now since I recorded the stuff many years ago and they won't last much > longer). CD-Rs of rare vinyl are OK too. And of course I'd trade for the > real things if anyone really wanted to do that. My record player is pretty > crappy and I don't really have a tape player anymore. > > Its probably best that you respond privately so as to not clutter the > lise. And sorry for the lengthy message to those of you not interested > > -gage == Petrina Katsikas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Petrina Katsikas Subject: Re: CD swaps? That last message was supposed to go to Gage not the list sorry all! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:27:21 +0100 From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content) hello, firstly, i was pissed that you assumed that the cd was yours. we had no agreement. i did not promise the cd to you. secondly, you were dilly dallying around over the money order thing. it was a simple request... ten english pounds in cash. thirdly, i wanted it sorted out as soon as possible. in case you cant remember, the cd is still in the shop. so i wanted all of this sorted out so that i could go and get the cd for someone. end of story. if no one can give a definite answer, then i cant get to the shop to get it and it'll probably be gone and that's that. fourthly, i had a shitload of replies from people assuming that they were the first person and thus the cd was theirs. so i told EVERYONE. the first person to sort it so that they can send me ten pounds cash gets the cd. simple. i cant use a money order. full stop. it is no use to me. fifthly, i was doing this as a favour to some fellow slowdive fans who might be after the single and whom i dont believe should have to pay $50 for a single. i dont expect to be bombarded with replies offering me $10 american, which as all the english people on the list will know is only worth 6. the cd is 7 in the shop. and 3 to send. likewise us currency is no use to me as i have to convert it, which costs a fortune here. and bingo! i am out of pocket. which is not the aim of the exercise. i saw the cd in a shop for 7 so i figured that it was ok to buy it and pass it on to someone on the list for 7 and the 3 postage. which is 10. not $10. or $15. or $17. or a 10 IMO. its 10 cash. and thats what i said... sixthly (is that correct grammar), i think you are just pissed cause you didnt get it. seventhly (even worse grammar), i see a lot of slowdive stuff in the shops here in london. i wont bother doing this again. IT IS TOO MUCH HASSLE!!! sorry to yell at you, but i just got sick to death of answering emails. i am at work and very busy and dont have time to go over the same point over and over again. remember i was not buying this cd to make money on. i was buying it as a favour to someone on the list. the first person who could send me the money that it cost me. simple. anyone else want to flame me now? | this list seems to be frequented by quite a few assholes these days. | anyway, i'm just posting this in the interest of anyone who is trying to get | that copy of _outside your room_ from this guy. it was my understanding | that i was the first one in line, and all i did was ask if it would be | alright to send u.s.$ (as the banks here do their best to rip people off by | charging ridiculous surcharges to issue checks in foreign currency, and most | of them do not do direct currency exchanges). this is the response i got. | i've bought things from people via the 'net dozens of times and have never | encountered such an attitude. all of you can hurl obscenities at certain | individuals who want $50 for a copy of _holding our breath_ until you're | blue in the face; i for one would much rather pay the fucking $50 and at | least get courteous treatment then deal with a shithead like this. good | luck to anyone who decides to send him the cash; hopefully he'll keep his | end of the bargain. (oh, and dave, please don't bother to harass me; you're | a fool if you thought that i'd excuse your hot-headed response.) | | >yeah. if you can get your ass into gear and send me a ten pound note... its | >not really that hard. i offer to do a favour for some people and it becomes | >such a fucking hassle. can you send me a ten pound (stirling) note? yes or | >no? first person who sez yes and agrees to send it. and gets the cd... | >simple. i dont want to pissfart around with money orders of any crap like | >that... i cant cash them so they are no use to me... | | >| uh, correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't you already promise the cd to me? | >| what gives? | >| | >| >i'm in london. 7 sterling for the cd and 3 sterling for postage. if | >| >you send me a 10 sterling note then we have a deal. you send me the | >| >money and i send u the cd. cool? | >| > | >| >| Where about in britain are you, email me if some1 hasnt alrady asked | >| >| take u up on your offer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: bLenDER Subject: Re: Eno - An Ending On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, ~E M wrote: > hi ben, could you put the mp3 file in a html page, coz i can't download it > without clicking the right mouse button. if i go straight to the url, all > i get is a bunch of text rubbish. for downloading ease http://www.bewley.net/~ben/eno.html cool:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Gilham Subject: Bon Voyage! On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Claire De Leon! wrote: > well, i leave soon for my trip to europe, so if anyone needs to > reach me, i'll be unsubbed, and my e-mail account will most likly expire > soon, so i can be reached at Hey Daniel, i received the package today .. thanks .... Enjoy your trip!! I've been once to Europe, so, if you like, you should write me when you return! ... I wish I was you :-) take care of yourself! --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:47:32 +0200 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: Sweredriver on Slowdive (hot off the press) At 14:17 1998-04-29 -0700, you wrote: > Greetings, > Picked this out of inpress magazine today (an excerpt from a > swervedriver interview) > > Inpress> You guys were innocently talking about slowdive and then all of > a sudden it is plastered all over the internet that you discovered them > > Adam> Yeah, I have heard about that as well. People have asked me about > that. Yeah, completely wrong. False information gets out there, rumours > you hear and it's like chinese whispers, it gets carried out of all > proportion. It's not remotely true. > > Think about that one. Heh heh, yeah - and I'm the one to blame, right? All I did was *ask* them when they played here, because no one else had, and everyone was saying they were responsible, so I wanted to know the truth. The truth is that they *did* have something to do with Slowdive being signed to Creation. When I asked them they said they had heard something about it, but couldn't remember if they did or not. Their explanation at the end of the night was that it was probably their manager who put the demo in Mr. Creation's hands, so they were in turn credited for it in the end. I can think of several reasons why they don't admit to it though, but I won't go into that discussion here. It's enough of that on the Curve list at the moment. Besides, Rachel can probably tell the real story. Right Rachel? Klart som korvspad. //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:58:12 +0200 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content) At 12:22 1998-04-29 +0600, you wrote: >this list seems to be frequented by quite a few assholes these days. [snip] I don't really want to get into this, but I agree - that's one helluva attitude problem there. But who knows, maybe he lost his job the same day, his car was stolen and his life savings were gone? All those things in a day would do the trick for me... //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:08:21 +0200 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content) > fourthly, i had a shitload of replies from people assuming that they were > the first person and thus the cd was theirs. so i told EVERYONE. the first > person to sort it so that they can send me ten pounds cash gets the cd. > simple. You can use the list to say that "hey all who sent me mail about the Slowdive thingie - it's already gone" which would have saved you the trouble of replying to all the e-mails but one - ie. the first who mailed you about it. And, a simple "Sorry, but $10 doesn't cover it. 10 is about US $13.00 and the freight will probably be more like $5 to the US" reply is a lot better than telling someone to go blow a flagpole. But who am I to tell anyone about manners, right? //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:28:39 PDT From: "Pearson Greer" Subject: 5/4 and spiritualized about those who'd slag Spiritualized... i USED to think that as much as i loved Spiritualized, i still had the complaint that Jason's lyrics were completely devoid of meaning- or that he didnt really feel them,for whatever reason- but i've really reevaluated that opinion in the last year- maybe i'm a sap but the Ladies and Germs album seems to really be from the heart, Broken Heart of course, but now i go back and think of All My Tears from Pure Phase, and some of the slower material from LGM as well. generally on the whole, i know why i always loved Spiritualized (and a lot of other bands for the same reason)- the overall emotional effect is one that for me at least of a emotion thats not easily described- its not just a happy or sad or euphoric one- a lot of the time one doesn't know HOW they feel, just that they DO feel- and theyre great at capturing that. having said that- when i knew for sure i felt broken hearted, Spiritualized definitely soothed. im glad someone else besides me counts Ordeal in 5/4 too, my friend thats a music major and loves to make everything harder than it really is counted it somehow in 2. happy cos he just found Disco Inferno's "DI Go Pop" for 5 bucks, Pearson ------------------------------ End of Avalyn Digest Vol.98 #65 ********************************
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