* To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Digest version of the list, send your request to: email@example.com
Today's Topics: Re: Colfax Abbey Re: JAMC Re: Oslo--ending Slowdive/Eno Colfax Abbey *NEWS* Re: Colfax Abbey Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt NY Shows Re: dif juz Re: recommendations Re: Punk ideal vs. punk-rock Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons re: Pale Saints Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons re: more underappreciated music Re: pale saints dolphins silvania (was re: Pale Saints) sianspheric (was re: more underappreciated music) Re: pale saints dolphins CD swaps? Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the Avalyn Digest mailing list: * send e-mail to: firstname.lastname@example.org * with the Subject: unsubscribe To post to the Avalyn mailing list: * use the address: email@example.com Digest back issues can be found through FTP and HTTP: ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/avalyn/ http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html () Please take care not to include the entire digest in your () reply, only the message(s) you are replying to. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:26:37 +0200 From: Erik Soderstrom
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey > [Colfax Abbey] > >> erik: you might want to check let it be records in minneapolis for a >> used/new copy of colfax abbey stuff - they always seem to have a copy in >> whenever I'm in the store. I think they have a web site at >> www.letitbe.com (i vaguely remember them allowing online orders...) > > Thanks! I checked it out and they had it - and also allowed online > orders from wherever in the world (though their SSL certificate was > outdated) - so I sent them some mail. US $17.99 + intl. shipping > is pretty steep tho' so I'll look around some more. (Especially > as Gary found a sealed copy for $4.99...) With the help of another listie (thanks emily!) I found it at Music Boulevard for $11.99 (with $10.00 off when you register the first time it was a bargain ;)) who's site I actually searched last week, but it wasn't there then! Same thing with Hash Jar Tempo, last week - nope, this week - yes. I wonder if they check the "none found" results and order these items when enough such results have passed some kind of "get this" limit? If not it is pretty spooky they get the stuff I'm searching for there within a few days. //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:32:45 +0200 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: JAMC [Jesus And Mary Chain] > Wade's friend isn't the only one to have an advance copy...they're > everywhere. Damn, they're not everywhere around here. Well, maybe they are, but everyone keeps them. :-/ > I haven't heard the whole album, though I've heard "I Love Rock > N' Roll", and I'll be the first to tell you it rocks, great song. > All the new stuff I've heard is great. Erik, is that promo you > saw a one track promo, or does it have b-sides? Last I heard > was that there were no plans to release "I Love Rock N' Roll" > as a single, so I'm happy that they decided to. The more b-sides > the better, especially with a band like the Mary Chain. They said it was a finished promo, so I guess it should have b-sides and be released as a "full single" as well. I've seen a 1-track promo around as well though, but hopefully this isn't one of them. //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:35:49 -0500 From: John Van Subject: Re: Oslo--ending Slowdive/Eno ALTONBARNS wrote: > The piece of music used to end the OSLO Slowdive show is: > > Brian Eno - An Ending (Ascent) 4:18 - from the album: Apollo EGCD53 > > Great ambient album! The music was used for the official NASA Apollo film > which is also excellent. I suppose Slowdive used this due to the connection > with Mr Eno! Yes, and the intro music to OSLO was Brian Eno's "Deep Blue Day", which was incidentally used in the toilet scene in Trainspotting. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:56:53 +0200 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Colfax Abbey *NEWS* Hey you know I said I emailed the guys at Prospective Records about Colfax Abbey yesterday, and I just got this answer (and isn't it beautiful?): - Hi Erik, - - Guess what Colfax Abbey didn't break up! they are just kind of inactive - right now dealing with some personal things, and the guitair player did - leave but plans are on to start a new record with Ed Ackerson (Polaria, - attenna, 27 various) as for buying their records you can either go online - to http://www.cdnow.com or do it direct from us $12 each , plus - shipping, you can also download the record at http://www.tt.net/lounge - or at least here more samples. - - Thanks for your intrest, - Chris I just checked the lounge with the samples (they're listed both under "Lo-fi" (!) and "Bliss") and you need the Liquid Audio player to listen, but there's a lot of samples there (short though...) Now if we only could get answers this easily from Ryko... //Erik ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 98 13:45:46 From: Teresa Sampson Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey I don't know that they've broken up. I saw them last July or August in Los Angeles. They were going to be touring for a little bit and then taking time off to do little things like returning to their regular jobs, getting married, moving, etc. But then again, anything could happen in 9 month's time. Cheers, Teresa >> I'm pretty sure that they have broken up. They are/were on Prospective >> Records. They'ver released two albums, "Drop" which is the straight out >> dreampop one, and Penetration, which is considerably more ambient. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:01:30 EDT From: Rephlex00 Subject: Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt Where about in britain are you, email me if some1 hasnt alrady asked to take u up on your offer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:41:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Lorraine Lelis Subject: NY Shows Here again plugging my band... Hala Star is playing two dates this weekend! Please come as these may be our last... Sunday, May 3 Brownie's, NYC 8pm with Velour 100 Saturday, May 2 Vassar College- Founder's Day Festival! Poughkeepsie, NY 12:15 pm with Johnathan Fire*eater what a busy weekend, and i have finals on top of that... :P lorraine :D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:02:37 +0600 From: box-and-whiskers Subject: Re: dif juz > i asked this next question on the 4ad list and got no response (guess > they'd gone deaf listening to the Paladins or something equally icky), either that, or they're too concerned with their catalogue numbers or something. anyway... > so here goes- whats a good place to start with Dif Juz? i've only heard > the song "no motion" off the Joyride soundtrack and i liked it a > lot. yes, 'no motion' is an excellent song. well, their album _extractions_ on 4ad (on which 'no motion' was included on later issues, if i'm not mistaken) is quite good and pretty much in the same vein -- very nice guitar-based instrumental pieces. it seems to be the only 'readily available' dif juz release; i'm not quite sure whether anything else is still in print. occasionally their _out of the trees_ lp can be found, while their earlier 12"s like _huremics_ and _vibrating air_ are quite rare. anyone know anything more? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:34:24 -0600 (MDT) From: michael maes Subject: Re: recommendations i disagree to some point on the new age/sprituality correlation. There are some out there that connect that way... spiritually. but that new age/spiritual/utopian vision, is very diffused now.. New age music is just like shoegaze, just a term to describe the "type" of music even thought it is a useless reference,,, for the most part At 09:33 AM 4/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >> what is wrong with new age? >> >>> dreampop with out the pop >>> but dream music sounds WAY too new age... > > Well, for example, I have Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works. Some of > the music on that sounds very new age. So what is the difference between > Ambient and New Age? Well, I'd say there's usually some sort of > philosophy or spirituality behind most new age, whereas ambient is music > for the sake of music, sound, etc. I personally find most New Age ideals > kind of silly. Wait, I take that back. I find the people who translate > the ideas into practice kind of silly, and if you call your music New Age, > you will be associated in that group. > > I don't drink, smoke, do any drugs, or eat meat, yet I don't call myself > straight edge (I'd rather be Ben than take on a group philosophy), and I > make ambient music, but I don't call it new age. > > It's all a point of reference, I guess. > > smiles... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:12:24 -0700 (PDT) From: midglider Subject: Re: Punk ideal vs. punk-rock slowdive and punk- that's intriguing... I once heard Thurston Moore scraping a beer can over his pickup at the end of 100% at a live Sonic Youth show. It gave me a similiar sort of "fuck-you" abandonment that I got from some Slowdive guitar passages... ---Michael Gilham wrote: >> yes punk to >> i dont see punk in slowdive >> i see jesus and mary chain though > > PUNK can be thought of as a state of mind; a way of approaching things > ... As opposed to "punk rock" which we can say is a particular sort > of sound .... > In the former context I agree [don't know where this all got > started from however?] > JAMC; I would definitely say had/have a Punk ethic... I might > say Slowdive had such to an equal or greater degree; but I'm really not > sure cos I've got a better idea of the mary chain's history and what not > ... > later > --M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:16:53 EDT From: SkyFireRed Subject: Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons << At 00:41 26.04.98 -0600, brad wrote: "Actually, while on the topic of the Pale Saints, where does "In Ribbons" fit into the scheme of things. It's the only one of their albums I have, and I've never really gotten into it. It's always struck me as kind of second rate . . ." jesus--is this a joke?? ive always considered "in ribbons" one of the most magical, inspirational, wondrous, blissful albums ever released. forgive me for being defensive, but i find it depressing that there are actually people out there who consider this second rate. no wonder so much shit music fills the airwaves. a bit opinionated, james ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 04:11:46 UT From: "Lisa Johnson" Subject: re: Pale Saints I guess I'm partial to the Pale Saints recordings with Ian Masters, they're a bit more complex and varied in their sound: Barging in on the Presence of God EP(1988) Half-Life EP (1990) In the Comforts of Madness LP (1990) ...am I forgetting anything??? Moonshake are definitely one of those bands I have a severe love/hate relationship with... but like Daniel said, you just can't go wrong with "First" (1991) Re: Ecstacy of St. Theresa I have to agree with Erik that "Fluidtrance Centauri" is where it's at, with "Free-D Soundtrack" a close second... definitely the more ambient/electronic of the two releases, with the remix CD a bit disappointing. Which, come to think of it, is a similar progression in sound to that which Silvania have followed... that is to say IMO "En Cielo de Oceano" (1993) is a masterpiece, with the more electronic "Paisajes III" (1994) only slightly less stunning, and the remix CD "Delay Tambor" the least appealing (or so I hear)... any comments? Peace Gary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:36:01 EDT From: Espsummer Subject: Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons second rate............that was so harsh......ian masters of the pale saints/spoonfed hybrid fame has the best voice i think i have ever heard. I think the song "hairshoe" for example is one of the most stunning songs ever to come out of this shoegazing genre of music. You could not have given the album much of a chance........... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 04:38:01 UT From: "Lisa Johnson" Subject: re: more underappreciated music Curious as to everyone's opinion re: Bailter Space's "Robot World" (1993). I'm a huge fan of all NZ pop (Clean, Chills, Snapper, etc.), but would have to recommend this particular release for fans of early Slowdive, Ride, and even MBV (check-out "Shine" from the AIM EP). Any news on the release date for the new Sianspheric CD? I checked their website a month ago and they were only just planning to record an EP... which is odd considering the 1/4 page ad they placed in AP for a new LP earlier this spring... perhaps I was hallucinating again. Regardless, "Somnium" is wonderful dreampop in the vein of early Verve, released way back in '95... and "I Like the Ride" is one of the more inspired songs of the decade! Babbling again Gary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:41:50 EDT From: Espsummer Subject: Re: pale saints dolphins i have never seen this disc in my life and would easily pay 30 dollars for it...............ugh.......i can't believe someone called them second rate......i like them just as much as slowdive if not more. The "dolphins" cd is a treasure because it basically contains all the hard to find b-sides ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: butterfly mcqueen Subject: silvania (was re: Pale Saints) > a bit disappointing. Which, come to think of it, is a similar progression in > sound to that which Silvania have followed... that is to say IMO "En Cielo de > Oceano" (1993) is a masterpiece, with the more electronic "Paisajes III" > (1994) only slightly less stunning, and the remix CD "Delay Tambor" the least >appealing (or so I hear)... any comments? a masterpiece? hardly! i'm listening to it right now, and it's quite pleasant at times, but they really border on cheesiness, especially with those vocals. do you know that they're singing about trees and the goddamn fucking sky?! ;) the songwriting is pretty weak as well. i think i prefer _paisaje iii_ for that reason -- less pretense. _delay tambor_, however, bored the hell out of me. but that may be because autechre-type electronica bores me in general. ; e.e. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:58:23 -0400 (EDT) From: butterfly mcqueen Subject: sianspheric (was re: more underappreciated music) > Any news on the release date for the new Sianspheric CD? > I checked their website a month ago and they were only just planning to > record an EP... which is odd considering the 1/4 page ad they placed in > AP for a new LP earlier this spring... perhaps I was hallucinating again. > Regardless, "Somnium" is wonderful dreampop in the vein of early Verve, > released way back in '95... and "I Like the Ride" is one of the more > inspired songs of the decade! on the contrary, i thought _somnium_ was mediocre for the most part. hell, not just mediocre but quite tedious to listen to. they get pretty close to the cavernous reverb textures of early verve, but sound isn't shit by itself, especially if you're attempting songs in the straightforward sense. that said, there are maybe 3 songs on the album that i kind of like. the 21+ min. ambient track at the end isn't bad, either. quite negative tonight, ; e.e. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:52:14 -0600 From: Brad Nicholson Subject: Re: pale saints dolphins pardon the cut and paste, but there's no point in sending two posts on one topic. At 12:36 AM 28/04/98 -0400, Espsummer wrote: > second rate............that was so harsh......ian masters of > the pale saints/spoonfed hybrid fame has the best voice i think i have ever > heard. I think the song "hairshoe" for example is one of the most stunning > songs ever to come out of this shoegazing genre of music. > You could not have given the album much of a chance........... Not true. I've had it for a good three years, and quite honestly, I've given it a more than fair chance. I know better than to judge music on first listen, as a large portion of the bands I love (like Slowdive, mbv, and Spiritualized, for example), take time to grow on me before the full brilliance of their work sets in. I've listened to "In Ribbons" well over two dozen times (more than enough for me to decide whether or not i like something), and it just doesn't do it for me. Actually, Hairshoes is the only song on the album that i like (but what an unfortunate title). At 11:16 PM 27/04/98 -0400 SkyFireRed you wrote: > jesus--is this a joke?? Um, no. I don't really care for the Pale Saints. Pardon me for expressing an opinion. > ive always considered "in ribbons" one of the most > magical, inspirational, wondrous, blissful albums ever released. That would be because everybody has different tastes. In my opinion, the song writing is kind of lacking, and the guitar work doesn't really interest me. I would agree that Ian Master's has a good voice, but I don't think that it is that great. Remember, key words, "In My Opinion". > forgive me > for being defensive, but i find it depressing that there are actually people > out there who consider this second rate. no wonder so much shit music fills > the airwaves. Actually, I do a radio show, and have for nearly 4 years, featuring indiepop/dreampop/electronic/"space rock", ect. I would imagine that a good number of people on this list would probably quite enjoy my show, seeing how i play a good 90% of the stuff that's discussed here, and then some. There's a lot of emphasis placed on shoegaze stuff, and I have of fair collection of EP's and hard to find albums to draw on. For a year and a half, I used to kick each show of with a Slowdive song, and quite honestly, at least every two or three weeks, I would get a call wanting to know what the hell was playing, and where they could find it. Sorry, but I fail to see how not liking the Pale Saints correlates into poor radio programming, unless you consider introducing people to things such as the beauty of Slowdive poor radio. brad. ps- I'm not trying to offend the Pale Saints fans here, I was simply wondering if "In Ribbons" was representative of their sound, because if it wasn't, I was going to give them another chance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Gage Crump Subject: CD swaps? I just bought 60 blank CDs at a dollar a pot and am wondering if there is are any people out there who have access to a CD burner who would like to trade CD-Rs of out of print stuff (I'm against bootlegging things that are readily available, so don't ask). I will not sell anything so please do not ask. I only wish to trade for CD-Rs of music which is near impossible to find otherwise. I have the following on CD which I think are now fairly rare: Blue Day - Slowdive Outside your Room- Slowdive Ecstasy and Wine - MBV This Is Your Blood Valentine - MBV Mrs. Dolphin - Pale Saints Eyes Wide e.p. - Blind Mr.Jones Crazy Jazz e.p. - Blind Mr. Jones Engine Common, Fountain Island, Glass Arcade - Sarah Records comps Waaaaah CD - Sarah bands comp. Coastal - Field Mice For Keeps - Field Mice Snowball - Field Mice Sunburst e.p. - Chapterhouse and I'm sure several others which I can't think of right now. you can look at http://devbio-mac1.ucsf.edu/gage/gage5.html for others if you want. I'm interested in stuff such as Freefall e.p. from Chapterhouse, Telescopes e.p.'s, Slowdive/Holding Our Breath e.p.s (well, really just Avalyn II and Golden Hair), Moonshakes "Creation" first e.p., anything else by Field Mice, other Sarah Record comp's, Stereolab's Amorphous, Northern Picture Library's "Blue Dissolve", Ecstasy of Saint Theresa's first, and other stuff that would cost exorbitantly at collector's prices. Again, I'm only interested in CD-Rs of rare/very hard to find music. I already have some of the above stuff taped (but my tapes are very bad by now since I recorded the stuff many years ago and they won't last much longer). CD-Rs of rare vinyl are OK too. And of course I'd trade for the real things if anyone really wanted to do that. My record player is pretty crappy and I don't really have a tape player anymore. Its probably best that you respond privately so as to not clutter the lise. And sorry for the lengthy message to those of you not interested -gage ------------------------------ End of Avalyn Digest Vol.98 #62 ********************************
* The digests can also be found in in ASCII format at ftp.lysator.liu.se
and in HTML format at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html.