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Today's Topics:
	 Re: red velvet venus
	 ..speaking of Bardo Pond....
	 Where to buy slowdive, and 'holding our breath' question
	 Music stores in Austin,TX
	 Avalyn 1.MP3 / "The Hope Blister" eats shit
	 Anakin rant
	 Re: terrastock
	 Drop Nineteens
	 Re: Drop Nineteens
	 Re: Drop Nineteens
	 Re: Drop Nineteens
	 terrastock west
	 Re: ..speaking of Bardo Pond....
	 nothing big
	 Donkey
	 Re: terrastock
	 Re: nothing big

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:08:02 -0600
From: sugarweathervane 
Subject: Re: red velvet venus

i've heard of them, but even after racking my brain have absolutely no idea
from where or who i've heard the name.


> i'm in Austin, but have never heard of this band. i assume that they are
> rumored to have a slowdive-ish, thislisty sound? anyone else know about
> them?
>
> intrigued,
> john
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 Primarygrl@aol.com wrote:
>
> > speaking of austin, texas...do you live there?  the reason i ask is
>because i
> > am wondering if you know thomas and co. from Red Velvet Venus???  i am
>going
> > to see one of their shows in california, and i was wondering what they
>sound
> > like.
> >
> > pg

joroses@mail.utexas.edu

...a wasted life is bitter spent... (r. ashcroft)

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:15:18 -0500
From: jvanslem 
Subject: ..speaking of Bardo Pond....

....Bardo Pond.......I just have comment that the song "Tommy Gun
Angel"  from B.P.'s latest, Lapsed, is an amazing, amazing song. It's so
dreamy, it's so noisy....it's got to be one of my favorite songs. Now
that i think of it. The vocals in that song are a bit
Slowdive-Rachel-ish. But to those who've never heard it, don't rush out,
buy it and expect to hear Shine or something like that.
    Bardo Ponds prev. album is also very good, maybe even better as an
album.
Anyone else want to comment on Bardo Pond?

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:21:23 -0600
From: John Bacus 
Subject: Where to buy slowdive, and 'holding our breath' question

Couple things.

1) Anyone know if any copies of "holding our breath" was issued with the bands autographs?  I picked a copy up used years ago when I lived in Seattle and seem to see other copies floating around about the same time.  Can't be sure though because I saw them play RKCNDY that same year.  Any info?  Thanks.

2) people who've been looking for out of print slowdive, check www.gemm.com.  I've had pretty good luck with ordering stuff (selling too, but I got no slowdive for sale, sorry).  Be sure to check on who you're ordering from.  I'll order from most domestic places, but have not yet had the courage to order from a foreign seller.

JB

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:12:37 -0600
From: Agent Cooper 
Subject: Music stores in Austin,TX

> Subject: Re: For anyone interested in SXSW
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:45:53 EST
> From: Primarygrl@aol.com
> To: avalyn@lysator.liu.se
> 
> Waterloo is a good record store, i hear....

Eh, Waterloo has a decent selection. I suppose one wouldn't expect to find the
latest Doldrums or AMP release at Tower Records... but on the other hand Tower
carries Glenn Branca while Waterloo DOESN'T. (What kind of crap is that?
Branca RULES!)

The BEST post-rock music store in Austin (as joroses mentioned) is 33 degrees,
no contest. You won't find much (any?) slowdive or MBV (because you can find
lots of their stuff at Waterloo) but 33 degrees has a TON of stuff you won't
find anywhere else in town. (Good stuff.) Any visitors should be SURE to spend
a good half-hour at 33 Degrees.

Beware: Austin's white-boy blues culture is really repulsive. Burn, Stevie, burn!

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:55:50 -0600
From: Agent Cooper 
Subject: Avalyn 1.MP3 / "The Hope Blister" eats shit

I meant to mention in my last mail, Avalyn 1.MP3 is now on my site:

http://www.flash.net/~agentc/slowdive.html

I'm not sure if I'll be able to put Avalyn 2 up on this other site or not - it
seems to have d/l problems there... we'll see.

The order after:

In Mind remixes
Outside Your Room b-sides
In Mind (non-remix)

and then I guess that's it - nobody requested Morningrise or 5ep (the bonus
tracks on the US release of Souvlaki).

Got Anakin - Neil is definitely morphing into Bob Dylan. The organ is very
nice. I'd like to see Neil do some symphonic work. The "dagger" cover is an
absolute insult to all slowdive fans everywhere in the universe. The
talentless hack singing on this track should be one of those techno-house
"divas". What crap. This track bugs me so much that I'm going to make MP3s of
the tracks I like and then RETURN this disc. Yuck. I plan on going to the
Mojave 3 show here and finding out what Neil thinks. Hell, if I were Mr.
Halstead I'd quit 4AD, even if it meant not being able to make a living.
That's how bad this cover is. Wow. A real slap in the face.

FUCK "THE HOPE BLISTER".

BTW - Dave Stack is pretty smart... FOR A RHESUS MONKEY WITH ADVANCED
PARKINSON'S. How can he claim to like slowdive then turn around and STEAL
their work to make his wallet fat?

out

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:44:35 -0800 (PST)
From: midglider 
Subject: Anakin rant

I listened to Anakin at the Virgin Megastore the
other day.

As for the Mojave song, its definately Dylanesque -
Neil's voice is even subtly inflected with a Dylan
accent. The chords aren't bad though. 

Can someone explain this to me (maybe someone who is
touch with the band) - why they went from being so
innovative, devastatingly sublime to becoming a
classic rock tribute band? Is it some sort of "safe"
effort to make a living at music or some misguided
instinct?
 
I listened to Souvlaki & BlueDay again tonight (I was
in a mood to drown). The overdubs, tunings,
treatments, mixing, harmonies, dissonances are so
rich and maverick its got to be one of the most
important records of the decade for "pop/rock/alt" or
whatever category you would fit the sound into.

It's unfair to compare but I doubt Mojave will affect
us in the same way...

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:32:30 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan 
Subject: Re: terrastock

>Any
>pages dedicated to the Terrastock festival with the complete line up?
>(yeah I want to feal miserable... ;))

present:  http://www.terrascope.org/twest.html
past:  http://www.terrascope.org/ppp.html

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:23:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: Drop Nineteens

I just received a tape from a friend yesterday of demos from the Drop
Nineteens, and I have to say....what the hell was this band thinking by
not releasing this stuff?? There's well over a dozen songs on the tape,
none of which are on the albums, and they are the most shoegazing stuff
I've ever heard out of an American band. VERY Slowdive-esque, and ultra
fucking dreamy. Sooooooo good! I would release this stuff in a heartbeat,
and I don't get why they didn't do so! Crazy. 
	But I was just wondering - did anyone see them way back in the day
when they were doing this stuff, before any albums? I'm wondering if they
had pulled it off live, ifthey had the same lineup, etc.
	And no, I don't want to trade a copy of this for your shitty
bootlegs, so don't ask! :)

Daniel

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:01:27 +0000
From: Mitch 
Subject: Re: Drop Nineteens

At 11:23 AM 2/25/98 -0500, Claire De Leon! wrote:
>I just received a tape from a friend yesterday of demos from the Drop
>Nineteens 
[Snip]
>	And no, I don't want to trade a copy of this for your shitty
>bootlegs, so don't ask! :)


Well then, why the fuck are you telling me about it then... =)

Just kidding (kind of)

Anyway...I did see them back in the day, but Deleware was already out. But,
how would I know if they played any of that stuff if I HAVEN'T HEARD
IT?!?!?!?  BTW...yes, they were an amazing band at one time (before the
line-up change).

Cheers,
-Mitch  

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:19:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: Re: Drop Nineteens

> >I just received a tape from a friend yesterday of demos from the Drop
> >Nineteens 
> [Snip]
> >	And no, I don't want to trade a copy of this for your shitty
> >bootlegs, so don't ask! :)
> 
> Well then, why the fuck are you telling me about it then... =)
> 
Just to make you cringe with jealous madness! hahahaha!!! Nah, if anyone
really wants a copy badly enough, I ain't gonna deny sharing this
shoegazing masterpiece. But the point was that I don't need any crappy-ass
bootlegs of some pseudo-cool band that sounds like airplane noise. And I
*knew* I would get offers for crap like that. But if anyone wants to throw
me a tape and money for return postage, of course I'll oblige...

> Anyway...I did see them back in the day, but Deleware was already out. But,
> how would I know if they played any of that stuff if I HAVEN'T HEARD
> IT?!?!?!?

Well if ya didn't recognize 'em from Delaware and they were brilliant
blisspop shoegazing delights, that would be some of this stuff! There's
even a freakin Beatles cover that is the most blissedout shogaze wispy vox
and swirling mass of guitars!! I didn't even recognize it til Mike pointed
it out to me! I forget which song it was though...

Daniel-

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:33:16 -0500 (EST)
From: mike p 
Subject: Re: Drop Nineteens

> and swirling mass of guitars!! I didn't even recognize it til Mike pointed
> it out to me! I forget which song it was though...

the drop nineteens covered the beatles' "good day sunshine"

ill add that this tape (50 min long!!) is good. kinda slowdive in the same
way as closedown, but busier and noiser. and from round '91. a first wave
US shoegazing band !!

mike

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 22:09:22 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: terrastock west

Anyone curious about terrastock west ("the left coast ptolemaic 
permabulation") would do well to check out the site for the UK 'zine 
Terrascope (which is responsible for organizing the festival) at:
http://www.terrascope.org/home.html
Here you will find pages devoted both to the upcoming festival (April 17-19, 
1998), and to the first terrastock event (April 25-27, 1997 in Providence, 
Rhode Island).  There are extensive reviews of the last years perfomance 
including band lists & links, and helpful tips for anyone still heading to San 
Francisco this coming April.  Yes, tix are SOLD OUT, and no, there will not be 
any additional tix made available... so keep your ears peeled for people 
changing their festival plans.  I was fortunate enough to buy a pair of tix in 
January, but there were already less than 30 available at the time, so it sold 
out quickly over a month ago.  

This years confirmed band list:

Alchemysts
Alva
The Azusa Plane
Bardo Pond
Masaki Batoh & Michio Kurihara of Ghost
Bevis Frond
Clockbrains
Cul de Sac
Damon & Naomi
Mick Farren & the Deviants
50 Foot Hose
Alastair Galbraith
Green Pajamas
Grimble Grumble
The Lothars
The Loud Family
Major Stars
Loren Mazzacane Connors
Scott McCaughey (Young Fresh Fellows or Minus Five)
Medicine Ball
Roy Montgomery
Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band
Mountain Goats
Mudhoney
Neutral Milk Hotel
The Olivia Tremor Control
Pelt
Primordial Undermind
Tom Rapp
Silver Apples
Kendra Smith
Spaceheads
Stone Breath
SubArachnoid Space
V Majestic
Brother JT & Vibrolux
Windy & Carl

Quite a list!  And for fans of Bardo Pond (I've seen them both in Seattle and 
Coney Island, NY... and they're simply amazing live) there's hope that they'll 
play an additional set with NZ's Roy Montgomery.  An amazing guitarist with 
whom they recorded an LP entitled "Well Oiled" (under the name Hash Jar Tempo 
on Drunken Fish Records), which I highly recommend.
On a final note, the psychadelic sounds of Brother JT and Bevis Frond are 
currently touring the US and may be coming to a town near you, so take a peek 
at these dates:

Some dates are tentative ! So call before you go there, OK ?
Friday April 3, Philadelphia Balcony with Bevis Frond
Saturday April 4, Philadelphia at PiLam/the Human Barbeque with Bevis Frond
Sunday April 5 We need a show between Philly and Oberlin this night!!
Monday April 6th @Oberlin College, Ohio w/ Bevis Frond 
Tuesday April 7th Detroit @Gold Dollar w/ Bevis Frond
Wednesday April 8th Chicago, IL @ Empty Bottle w/ Bevis Frond
Thursday April 9th We need a show in the St Louis area!!
Friday April 10th Need a show!
Saturday April 11th Kansas - Lee Play Lounge 
Sunday April 12th we need a show between Kansas and Montana near Boulder, Co!!
Monday April 13th possibly in Bozeman Montana with Pelt
Tuesday April 14th Portland @Satiricon w/ Bevis Frond
Wednesday 15th Need a show between Portland and SF, CA!!
Thursday 16th Great American Music Hall SF, CA w/ Bevis Frond
FRIDAY 17th & SATURDAY 18th & SUNDAY the 19th , Terrastock Festival in SF, 
CA!!
Monday APRIL 20 , @ Spaceland, LA, CA w/ Bevis Frond
Tuesday 21st Albequerque NM? We need a show !!
Wednesday 22nd Possibly in Austin @ ??? possibly w/Pelt
Thursday 23rd AUSTIN @??? with Bevis Frond
Friday 24th Denton @ Under the Couch w/ Bevis Frond 
Saturday 25th MEMPHIS @Young Avenue Deli w/ Bevis Frond
Sunday 26th ATLANTA @??? with Bevis Frond
Monday 27th Chapel Hill @ Cats Cradle
Tues 28th DC @Black Cat
Wed 29th North Carolina or Washington DC @??? with Bevis Frond
Saturday May 2nd @ Brownies, NYC with Bevis Frond

Good luck to everyone!
:GA

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:13:04 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: ..speaking of Bardo Pond....

At 22:15 1998-02-24 -0500, jvanslem wrote:

> ....Bardo Pond.......I just have comment that the song "Tommy Gun
> Angel"  from B.P.'s latest, Lapsed, is an amazing, amazing song. It's so
> dreamy, it's so noisy....it's got to be one of my favorite songs. Now
> that i think of it.

It definitely is fantastic. Wish they would come over here and play some
gigs or festivals, but as they're pretty unknown in these parts of the
world (so far) I doubt it. :(  I'll post a translation of my review of
Lapsed if anyone's interested.

Talking about other bands - I just listened to the Dutch/British band
"Donkey" and their album 'Stroke My Wings Gently' - now there's an album
with diverse songs and styles on it (everything from jungle to acoustic
and dreamy stuff), but two songs - 'Space Wind Dynamics' and 'Kissy Kissy 
Traction' - are pretty darn good. The first is just filled with disted
guitars and a bass which go on and on - over and over again - behind the
light and dreamy vocals, and with a Manchester (tm) drum beat added it's
a beaut. A lighter MBV perhaps? The other is more like a mix between 
that lighter MBV and early Lush. Gorgeous.

Sadly these two songs are the only ones on the album that sound this way -
there are a few other good ones on it, but even though they are good,
they are not even close.

Anyone heard this band? Comments?

 //Erik 

P.S. They actually played a song from that Transister album I mentioned
     here before - two days ago on the national swedish radio! Cool. D.S.

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:23:42 EST
From: Primarygrl@aol.com
Subject: nothing big

it's time for me to get a bit mushy....  i will no longer have online access,
nor to a computer, at all, after feb. 28th, sooo... 

 keep the list alive!  :)  erik, you are awesome!!!!  

hopefully i can get back on it someday, when i have a machine, but as for
now... goodbye to all of you!  

primary girl

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:44:20 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Donkey

[Forwarded]

>Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:28:54 -0600
>From: John Van 
>Subject: Donkey

Erik Soderstrom wrote:

> Talking about other bands - I just listened to the Dutch/British band
> "Donkey" and their album 'Stroke My Wings Gently' - now there's an album
> with diverse songs and styles on it (everything from jungle to acoustic
> and dreamy stuff), but two songs - 'Space Wind Dynamics' and 'Kissy Kissy
> Traction' - are pretty darn good. The first is just filled with disted
> guitars and a bass which go on and on - over and over again - behind the
> light and dreamy vocals, and with a Manchester (tm) drum beat added it's
> a beaut. A lighter MBV perhaps? The other is more like a mix between
> that lighter MBV and early Lush. Gorgeous.
> 
> Sadly these two songs are the only ones on the album that sound this way -
> there are a few other good ones on it, but even though they are good,
> they are not even close.
> 
> Anyone heard this band? Comments?


 The first album is very different from the new one. It has more loud
 Pixies/Fall-like sounds and less dreamy sounds. Yes, there was also
 a wacky jungle song on that album which was pretty cool.

 I saw them play here in Houston a few months ago (the guy who runs
 Loveletter Recordings works at the local indie record store). The
 lead singer kept putting down the U.S. and raved on how great Amsterdam
 was. They had a cello player on-stage for a lot of the songs.
 Most of the set was pretty basic hard psych-flavored rock. But there was
 one song that sounded exactly like MBV's 'Soft as Snow'. Very cool 
 "glide" guitar on that one!  

 John

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:46:13 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: terrastock

At 10:32 1998-02-25 +0500, susan marie mcgowan wrote:
>>Any
>>pages dedicated to the Terrastock festival with the complete line up?
>>(yeah I want to feal miserable... ;))
>
>present:  http://www.terrascope.org/twest.html
>past:  http://www.terrascope.org/ppp.html

I just knew I would feel miserable... what a line-up! And it isn't
even complete yet. Wish we had one of those here. Well - thanks for
the links!

 //Erik 

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:10:28 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: nothing big

At 18:23 1998-02-25 EST, Primarygrl@aol.com wrote:
> it's time for me to get a bit mushy....  i will no longer have online
> access, nor to a computer, at all, after feb. 28th, sooo... 

Sad to hear this - you better get yourself another one. You can always
check the digest archives (sorry, I haven't updated it for a while
because of my muscle injury - but I will asap) from an Internet cafe'
to keep up with the list, can't you?

> keep the list alive!  :)  erik, you are awesome!!!!  

Well, heh.. umm.. thanks! ;)  The list will be alive for as long as
 ... well, for as long as it takes!

 Stay safe,
 //Erik 

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