The Avalyn Digest Vol.97 Issue #009

The Avalyn Digest

Vol.97 #009

December 17th, 1997


Today's Topics: Re: Unidentified subject! Re: Unidentified subject! Re: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized) Re: Unidentified subject! RE: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized) Re: Unidentified subject! pygmalion Re[2]: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized) Re: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized) Re: pygmalion Re: pygmalion? Slowdive videos Re: Slowdive videos holding our breath Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the Avalyn Digest mailing list: * send e-mail to: avalyn-d-request@lysator.liu.se * with the Subject: unsubscribe To post to the Avalyn mailing list: * use the address: avalyn@lysator.liu.se Digest back issues can be found through FTP and HTTP: ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/avalyn/ http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html () Please take care not to include the entire digest in your () reply, only the message(s) you are replying to. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:53:10 -0500 (EST) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! > It was generally recieved quite well by Slowdive fans, but a lot of big > shoegazer fans were a bit dissapointed by the shift from Slowdive to Mojave > 3, but Pygmalion wasn't a shoegazer album anyway. No offense if you fall > into that catagory, but I wonder how many of you would have loved "AMT" if > it had been Slowdive album number four, instead of Mojave 3 album number > one. I suppose I am the only one here who actually doesn't care much for the Mojave 3 album...I love everything Slowdive ever did (except maybe Some Velvet Morning, which isn't the greatest, IMO) but I gotta say I just didn't warm up to that Mojave 3 album...perhaps I should give it another listen, since last time I heard it, it was before the album was even released, but I have a feeling I still won't like it as much as any Slowdive material. I also admit that some of Pygmalion isn't really for me either, but the other half is some of the most tremendous stuff they have done, so on the whole, it's a great album...babble babble.... Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:54:02 +0000 From: "wade@tapehouse.com" Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT To this very day, it saddens me that Slowdive's effects pedals are hiding somewhere in the far reaches of Neil and Christian's closets. When you have such a beautiful ear for sound, and genius ideas to make layers of fuzz, you just don't throw that away! I absolutely hated Mojave 3 when I first heard it. I wanted Souvlaki part 2, or them to go back to their early "Blue day" days. Our only hope is that Neil will keep changing and drift Mojave's lush sound back towards some form of delayed noise. I must admit, if you put AMT on quite often, it does grow on you. You can really get a feel for how beautiful Rachel and Neil sound together, no matter what the circumstances are. However, it was the guitars, and the simple layered noise structure that made Slowdive work. All we can do is hope, that Mojave 3 keeps experimenting back to it's true roots. wade@tapehouse.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:11:13 -0600 (CST) From: "..." <1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized) On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Brad Nicholson wrote: I know a few people who are **HUGE** Spacemen 3 fans, and they don't > like Spiritualized. Why? Even though Spiritualized are a very natural > continuation of the Spacemen, and actually an improvement on the ideas > explored, they are not the Spacemen. Speaking of Spiritualized, I saw them this Saturday at Liberty Lunch in Austin. It was just not that great. I feel like the analogy of the Emperor's New Clothes can be applied to reincarnated bands. People grew to love a band and when that band breaks up, a reincarnation of any of the members revives their loyal fanbase. A lot of times though, the fans procalim something that just isn't there. Even if the music isn't as good, our loyalty to the band often makes us alot more forgiving critically. I didn't listen to Spacemen 3 before Spiritualized, so I can't say who was better. I've loved Spiritualized album #1 better than any of them and I can feel the longing in the soul of Jason Pierce throughout their 3 albums, but their live show is just a bit boring musically (and only musically I must say). There is joy in repetition, and I'm as big a minimalist fan as anybody, but musically speaking they just don't perform so well. It's a totally incredible visceral experience (lights, smoke, sound, bass, people everywhere), but from a critical musical perspective, they really aren't doing anything that amazing... more on Slowdive/Mojave 3 later cory 1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:16:37 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! At 09:53 1997-12-15 -0500, Claire De Leon! wrote: > I suppose I am the only one here who actually doesn't care much for the > Mojave 3 album...I love everything Slowdive ever did (except maybe Some > Velvet Morning, which isn't the greatest, IMO) Oh, Some Velvet Morning is one of my Slowdive favourites! It's just so slow, smooth and dreamy - I fell in love with it the moment I first heard it. And for the record, heh, I am a Mojave 3 fan and I like what they do, but I'd sell my soul to get Slowdive back anytime. ;) //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:21:19 -0600 From: avalyn Subject: RE: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized) spiritualized blew me away live. but i could tell what he meant when someone said something along the lines of: "spiritualized are awesome when they've got it togther. but when it's a bad night, they are horrible." i got them on a good night. yay. o_o ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:39:44 -0500 (EST) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! > Oh, Some Velvet Morning is one of my Slowdive favourites! It's just > so slow, smooth and dreamy - I fell in love with it the moment I > first heard it. > I personally like the original *so* much more - granted they did a nice job adding that certain Slowdive charm like no others could...but still, I prefer the original, as well as preferring the blissed out glory that epitomized Slowdive for me (i.e. Shine....yummmmmmmm) Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:23:55 +0000 From: Myron Subject: pygmalion You know whenever I listen to Souvlaki I can't bare to listen to "Alison." I always listen to the whole album aside though. I really feel my favorite is Pygmalion! It's minimalist in sound compared to Souvlaki mostly, but there's just something about "Crazy For You" and "Blue Skied An' Clear," and I always find myself listening to "Cello." I don't know why I like Pygmalion the best. Does anyone else? Mojave 3 is pretty good. I definitely feel Hastead and Goswell were the most important members of Slowdive. Did the other members of Slowdive ever put out any other music out? I lose track of all the split ups. Still haven't heard bought Hurricane #1, for example. Myron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 14:33:11 CST From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com Subject: Re[2]: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized) I agree with that... Majave 3 isn't bad but compared to Slowdive I just don't feel that they hold their own... Because of the fact that it was once slowdive I am a little more open minded but say I didn't know that.... I wouldn't have hated the album but it really wouldn't have impressed anything on me... Chris _______________________________________________________________________________ Speaking of Spiritualized, I saw them this Saturday at Liberty Lunch in Austin. It was just not that great. I feel like the analogy of the Emperor's New Clothes can be applied to reincarnated bands. People grew to love a band and when that band breaks up, a reincarnation of any of the members revives their loyal fanbase. A lot of times though, the fans procalim something that just isn't there. Even if the music isn't as good, our loyalty to the band often makes us alot more forgiving critically. I didn't listen to Spacemen 3 before Spiritualized, so I can't say who was better. I've loved Spiritualized album #1 better than any of them and I can feel the longing in the soul of Jason Pierce throughout their 3 albums, but their live show is just a bit boring musically (and only musically I must say). There is joy in repetition, and I'm as big a minimalist fan as anybody, but musically speaking they just don't perform so well. It's a totally incredible visceral experience (lights, smoke, sound, bass, people everywhere), but from a critical musical perspective, they really aren't doing anything that amazing... more on Slowdive/Mojave 3 later cory 1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:52:36 -0600 From: erik Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized) I, too was at the Spiritualized show in Austin and thought it was one of the best shows I had ever seen next to the Flaming Lips or Mercury Rev. The power that encompassed me is undescribable; I couldn't say an entire word until about fifteen minutes after the show. I didn't even feel like I was breathing amongst the awestruck crowd, wall of smoke and intense light show. This show made me realize that in a society plagued with Marilyn Manson, Spice Girls and Hanson all side by side, Spiritualized is the best band on the market right now. I think that the atmosphere between Spiritualized's earlier albums and later albums and their live shows is quite different, but that's understandable with the amount of work that went into the albums. Jason Spaceman definently has a vision unlike anything possible with Spacemen 3, which was made very obvious by the set-closer of Walkin With Jesus. Keeping the songs to the basics that night may have had something to do with their regular keyboardist being absent, but I don't know. I think the way they restrain the noise yet completely unleash it in certain areas was very cool and I don't think anybody could bring that kind of power to the mainstream like Spiritualized can. Hopefully the world is ready for the second coming. "Think I can Rock and Roll... Probably just twisted. Think I want to tell the World... Probably ain't listenin." -J. Spaceman I Think I'm in Love Yours truly, Erik At 12:11 PM 12/15/97 -0600, you wrote: >Speaking of Spiritualized, I saw them this Saturday at Liberty Lunch in >Austin. It was just not that great. I feel like the analogy of the >Emperor's New Clothes can be applied to reincarnated bands. People grew >to love a band and when that band breaks up, a reincarnation of any of >the members revives their loyal fanbase. A lot of times though, >the fans procalim something that just isn't there. Even if the music >isn't as good, our loyalty to the band often makes us alot more forgiving >critically. I didn't listen to Spacemen 3 before Spiritualized, so I >can't say who was better. I've loved Spiritualized album #1 better than >any of them and I can feel the longing in the soul of Jason Pierce >throughout their 3 albums, but their live show is just a bit boring >musically (and only musically I must say). >There is joy in repetition, and I'm as big a minimalist fan as anybody, >but musically speaking they just don't perform so well. It's a totally >incredible visceral experience (lights, smoke, sound, bass, people >everywhere), but from a critical musical perspective, they really aren't >doing anything that amazing... > more on Slowdive/Mojave 3 later > cory > 1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:49:58 -0600 From: John Subject: Re: pygmalion Myron wrote: > Did the other members of Slowdive ever put out any > other music out? I lose track of all the split ups. Simon Scott was in Chapterhouse briefly. He was also in the Charlottes prior to Slowdive. Christian Savill played in Eternal, on Sarah Records, prior to Slowdive. Neil Halstead sang on Locust's new album and recorded a 12" for Tony Morley's Leaf Records a few years back. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:00:03 -0600 From: Torr Subject: Re: pygmalion? Can anyone make me a cassette dub of this album? If so, please e-mail me personally. thanks! Torr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:22:32 -0500 From: Gordon Brown Subject: Slowdive videos Hi, The family is getting a new hi-fi vcr for Christmas and I will be able to make copies of videos. If anyone is interested in trading this is what I am after. For every one maxell gold video tape of 120 min. at sp speed you want you send me one of the following cds (not taped copies--already have those) The Verve: A Storm In Heaven The Verve: Urban Hymns The Verve: A Northern Soul Stereolab: Refried Ectoplasm Stereolab: Mars Audiac Quintet Stereolab: Transient Random Noise Bursts With Announcement Stereolab: Space Age Bachelor Pad Music Stereolab: Emperor Tomato Ketchup It doesn't matter to me whether the discs are new or used, so check out your local used record store or buy the disc, tape it, and mail the cd along. Please check with me first though before going out and buying anything just in case someone else has offered to do so. Here's the list (note: I can only record in NTSC) Grades: A Perfect A- Slight problems. Picture is not immaculate, and/ or sound slightly muffled. B+ As above, but problems are more serious. B Viewable picture but sound usually camera mike only; noticeable picture messups B- Sound distorted. Picture show signs of being a few generations old. Slowdive: Paard Van Troje, Den Haag 23.02.92 55 B (handheld cam--front row) Rockcandy, Seattle 17.05.92 55 B+ (handheld cam--in front) Commodore Ballroom, Vancouver 19.05.92 55 B+ (handheld cam--side of stage) Clapham Grand, London 11.06.93 65 B+ (handheld cam--balcony) Lee's Palace, Toronto 21.05.94 60 A- (handheld cam--side of stage) Poetic Frenzy -- promo video 8 A Morningrise -- promo video 5 A- Catch the Breeze -- promo video 5 A (US vid. SBK, no band just colourwashed scenery) Alison -- promo video 5 A- Thanks Gord note: it might be best to email me directly as I am on the digest version. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:24:47 +0000 From: "wade@tapehouse.com" Subject: Re: Slowdive videos Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Gordon, actually, if you don't want cash, put me down for sending you Urban Hymns, in return I would like the 94 show. wade ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:02:38 -0800 From: Sabrina Frank Subject: holding our breath a few days ago i mentioned i had a copy of holding our breath...a few people wanted tapes of it..as i am heading home for break in a few days...i would like to know who wanted a copy..i'd be interested in trading tapes or something like that here's stuff i have people might want on a tape slowdive holding our breath morningrise in mind remixes pygmalion verve blue slide away history one and two on your own this is music drugs dont work my bloody valentine youmademerealise feedmewithyourkiss tremelo ep cocteau twins the boxed set of singles victorialand black tape for a blue girl this lush garden within remnants of a deeper purity spiritualized fucked up inside good dope good fun electricity one and two --i have other stuff too, just ask here's stuff i am looking to get tapes of slowdive: singles i dont have verve: all in the mind, voyager 1, and live stuff my bloody valentine, any decent recordings of their early stuff (i have this bootleg tape but the sound is awful) spiritualized: if anyone has any of their early singles...... spacemen3: anything other than perfect prescription, taking drugs to make music to take drugs to, dreamweapon, for all the fucked up children of the world..., and sound of confusion Please get back to me at this address BLUEMUSE8@AOL.com ------------------------------ End of Avalyn Digest Vol.97 #9 *******************************
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