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From: "Craig H. Nishida" <cnishida@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [MB-MANGA] 3.5
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On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, Paul <pthirose@garlic.engr.ucdavis.edu> wrote:  P>
On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Yutaka <sleeper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:      Y>

P> i don't have the ability right now, to support you as well from now on
P> ?

Better'n my line.

===>
158-1
Namura:
  I don't have the ability        IMA no ore ni     wa
  right now, to support you       by-the-present-me (contrast)
  as well from now on
                                  kimi no  kore kara    no JINSEI made
                                  your     from-now-on  's life   as-well

                                  SEOtte-yareru                hodo   no
                                  can-carry-(you)-on-shoulders extent (nom)

                                  HOUYOURYOKU nanka     nai
                                  capacity    and-such  not-have

  Supporting myself is about      JIBUN no koto de  SEI-IPPAI
  all I can do.                   with-self         try-with-all-my-might

                                  na  n da
                                  is  (explan)

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Y> > <sigh> I give up with you guys.  There isn't ANY feeling of "sweet memory",
Y> > as Paul put it, with the newly revised translation.  Even Yutaka, at one
Y> > point, said (of the original translation):
Y> >
Y> > Y> I think "I have many memories of
Y> > Y> this place" would be better, although then it'd no longer literal.
Y>
Y> I don't remember saying this, but I guess I did ^_^;;
Y>
Y> ...The reason I must've said that it'd no longer be literal was because
Y> it makes "OMOiDAshichau", a verb, into "OMOiDE", a noun.  And I wasn't
Y> sure if Craig wanted to take a non-literal approach.
Y>
Y>
Y> But I do agree with Jeanne that it doesn't have that "sweet memory" feel
Y> to it, with the "recall various things" phrase.  It sounds like she's
Y> testifying at a trial ^_^;
Y>
Y> This is slightly off the literal also, but maybe just simply:
Y>
Y> "I remember many things when I come here..."
Y>
Y> ??

I just moved it back to the original for the time being.  Since it was
less disapproved of.

Okay, then let's dump the "various" and try "several" or "many".

===>
173-1
Meiko:
  Certainly...                    tashika ni

  Many things come to mind        koko ni        KUru to    iroiro
  when I come here...             to-this-place  when-come  several/many

                                  OMOiDAshichau               kedo
                                  recall/remember-(finality)  but

  But it isn't unbearable         ZENZEN    tsuraku     nanka     nai
  at all.                         entirely  unbearably  somewhat  not-have

Or, "Certainly, several things come to mind..." ???

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Man, typing in all the visual cues for 4.1 is taking long.  It's also
a whopping chapter, text-wise.  I think it's at 120K right now, but
that'll grow with more cues typed in.

Anyway, <gaman, gaman>...

Craig
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