From tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Sun Jul 7 07:33:02 1996 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:39:14 -0400 (EDT) From: tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Reply-To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com Subject: tariqas-digest V1 #46 tariqas-digest Thursday, 4 July 1996 Volume 01 : Number 046 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:49:41 +0100 Subject: Re: your mail > >Dear Jabriel, Assalamu alaikum, > >Recently, your posts to tariqas (and your email to me) have been >blank! > >I hope you can fix your problem soon. :) > >Peace, > >Fariduddien > > > >On Wed, 3 Jul 1996 jabriel@peoples.net wrote: > > > ------------------------------ From: Salikun@vnet.net Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 23:49:40 -0400 Subject: Re: The IDEA of nature Peace and Love to All! (As I join the communion of "Tariqas" for the first time.) Maarof wrote: >The nature of the creation might be imperfect, but, the creation is never >imperfect. There is a difference: > 1. creating something without knowing a flaw in it, and > 2. creating something and purposely making it imperfect. >The first one is an imperfect creation, and this is contrary to the idea >of a perfect creator. But the second one, only the nature of creation is >imperfect, the creation itself is perfect. We're speaking of creation-creator, higher-lower, natural-unnatural as if these divisions existed in a reality other than the fragmentary psychological reality of our minds. Illusions! Without a creation, can there be a creator? Can a potter exist before a pot is formed. Both, the creator and the created are One. We humans (and maybe it's a "natural" or material function of brain) are constantly deviding, classifying, sorting, measuring - our perceptions. Yet, at times, I wonder, does an "inch" or "light year" actually exist? Are our divisions of time and space any concern to Truth/Reality? Creation reflects perfectly the creator. Either both/one is perfect or they/it is imperfect. Even our words point to a duality or multiplicity whose existance we can only discuss but not know. When a person looks upon my lover, they may see traits both perfect and imperfect. Yet, I see only my beloved. She is. She exists. I love her and am loved by her. I learn love. She is one. We are one. LOVE!!! Muhsin ------------------------------ From: Steve H Rose Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 23:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Threshold Society URL (was: Re: Melevi) On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Frank Gaude wrote: > Hello, everybody! > > Steve H Rose wrote: > > > > I believe the address is: > > > > http://www.webcom.com/threshld/ > > The Mevlevi Dervish Order sounds like the "turners" here on the West Coast, > Likely the same group. From the above Web page: Assalamu alaikum. The "turners" you describe on the West Coast are also from the Mevlevi tradition, but are a totally separate organization. Yours, Habib ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:28:53 -0400 Subject: Re: The IDEA of nature >God, this place is perfectly beautiful. But this will pass... YOU are perfectly Beautiful... and that shall never pass! <> ------------------------------ From: Maqam1@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:32:18 -0400 Subject: Re: questions In a message dated 96-06-17 21:58:26 EDT, you write: >At 07:01 PM 6/15/96 -0400, Maqam1@aol.com wrote: >>With all due respect what you think and what ALLAH and His prophet says are >>light night and day. >> > >I'm not clear: to whom are you referring, please? > >Anyhow, people have come to blows and killing each other trying >to impose one's own interpretation of Allah's and His Rasul's sayings >on each other. Some human-beings feel that they can out think ALLAH or that without them Islam wouldn't be, but whose words are more powerful than ALLAH and what human-being has given more to humanity than our Beloved Prophet? Remember that the Prophet came with nothing but pure Islam and a devotion to ALLAH yet to be seen in our time. ------------------------------ From: informe@best.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:57:09 -0700 Subject: Unity Conference Information =46rom Shaykh Taher Siddiqui: This is a preliminary list of the scheduled sessions of the Islamic Unity Conference, Los Angeles, August 2-4, 1996. Each session begins with the recitation of Qur'an by famous Egyptian reciters. Then between three and five speakers will address the main topic of the session. =46riday, August 2, 1996 Main Session =85 Recitation workshop: Principles of recitation of Quran =85 Opening Session and Press Conference =85 Agenda of the Conference and Expected Resolutions =85 Islamic Unity: Goal of All Muslims =85 Keynote Speech: Islamic Unity: Its Outer Manifestation, Its Inner Reality =85 Jumu'ah (Friday) Prayer =85 Approaches to Islamic Unity =85 The Role of the Muslim Family in the 21st Century =85 Evening Session - Importance of Following Schools of Thought =85 Love of Prophet Muhammad (saws), Study of His Life and Observance of His Sunna Parallel Workshops =85 Islamic Health & Nutrition =85 Spirituality in Islam =85 The Power of a Muslim Media Saturday, August 3, 1996 Main Session =85 Question and Answer Session: Necessity of Following Schools of Thought =85 Introducing the Initiative for Establishment of an Educational Curriculum Platform Based on al-Kitab, al-Hikmah and at-Tazkiyya =85 Tarbiyah (training and workshops) in Islamic Education =85 Building of Faith in the Heart: an Art That Must be Reestablished =85 Dhikrullah, (the Process of Remembering Allah): Foundation of True Faith =85 Orphans in the Muslim World =85 Tazkiyyat an-Nafs - Purification of the Self =85 Main Event: Launch of International Day of the Orphan =85 Orphans: the Sorrow of our Time =85 Proclaiming the Official Launch of the Day of the Orphan Parallel Workshops =85 Importance of Schools of Thought =85 Urdu Language Session =85 Networking to Develop Investment Opportunities: East Meets West in establishing an Islamic International Chamber of Commerce =85 Qasida, Naat and Islamic Chanting by the Bosnian Youth Group (Chicago), the Birmingham Qasida Group (England), the Malaysian Qasida Troupe accompanied by daff. =85 Islamic Celebrities Session =85 Persian Language Session (Irfan) =85 Islamic Finance =85 The Importance of Women's Education in Building a Community =85 The Importance of Scholars & Scholarship =85 Islam and Youth =85 Importance of Technology in Advancing Islam Sunday, August 4, 1996 Main Session =85 halaqah: The Way of Purification of the Inner Self =85 Interfaith Dialog =85 Building Islamic Businesses =85 Closing Session =85 Resolutions and Conclusions =85 Quranic Recitation Competition: Gifting of Prizes to children =85 Parade through Downtown Los Angeles Parallel Workshop Sessions =85 Binding The Muslim Family in the West =85 The Examplar of Politics in Islam: Sayidinna 'Umar bin al-Khattab (r) =85 Islamic Education and the West =85 Persian Language Session (Irfan) =85 Followup on the Islamic Education Initiative and Islamic Publication =85 The Effect of Economics on Islamic Power =85 Importance of Technology in Advancing Islam =85 Sports and Islam =85 Da'wah in Prison =85 Raising an Orphan to be a Respected Figure in the Community ------------------------------ From: informe@best.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:26:14 -0700 Subject: International Muslim Unity Conference Speakers The conference is at the Westin - Bonaventure hotel in Los Angeles on August 2 - 4 1996. The conference fee is $40. There is a $12 LAX to hotel shuttle that takes about 45 minutes. Single rooms, if any are available there, are a little over $75 a night. I know that a lot of sharing will go on. If you have questions, please email Shaykh Taher Siddiqui directly at mateens@sybase.com. He is very busy, though, organizing the conference, so your patience is appreciated. Hamza - -------------------------------- International Islamic Unity Conference International Guest Speakers H. E. Anwar Ibrahim Deputy Prime Minister of Malaysia Prince Raja Ashman son of Sultan Azlan Shah, Malaysia H. E. Pehin Abdul Aziz Omer Minister of Education, Brunei His Eminence Shaykh Muhammad Nazim Adil Mufti of Cyprus His Eminence Dr. Mustafa Ceric Raees al-'Ulema, Bosnia Dr. Necmettin Erbakan head of Refah Party of Turkey His Eminence Shaykh Ahmad Koftaro Mufti of Syria Shaykh Muhammad Alawi Maliki scholar, Saudi Arabia Y.B. Encik Hishammuddin Tun Hussein Member of Parliament, Malaysia Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller scholar and author Abdul Hakim Murad (T. J. Winter) scholar and author Dr. Ali Qardaghi President, Islamic Kurdish League, Qatar Yusuf Islam da'ee and educator Dr. Hassan Abbas Zaki former Minister of Finance, Egypt Dr. M. A. Zaki Badawi Principal, The Muslim College, former Imam, Regent's Park Mosque, London. Dr. Kurgut Ozal Turkey, brother of Turgut Ozal, former PM of Turkey Shaykh 'Isa al-Ma'ni Deputy Minister,Religious Affairs, U.A.E Shaykh Yusuf ar-Rufa'i former Minister of Education,Kuwait Mawlana Taher Qadiri scholar and author, Pakistan. Hanees Hussein Malaysia Guest Speakers from the US: Imam Senad Agic President Muslim Bosniac Association Shaykh Muhammad H. Kabbani scholar, author and da'ee Imam Jamil Amin author and da'ee Dr. Hassan Hathout scholar and author Dr. William Chittick professor of Islamic Studies Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar renowned author and psychologist Dr. Muhammad Munir Chaudry Islamic Food & Nutrition Council of America Dr. Maher Hathout scholar and author Dr. Ahmad Sakr da'ee and author Dr. Muzzamil Siddiqui Islamic scholar Dr. Abdul Sattar Khan Author and Scholar Dr. Yahia Abdur-Rahman Khairy CEO, LaRiba Bank Dr. Faysal Burhan President, Institute for Arabic and Islamic Studies, Acton, Calif. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf da'ee and Scholar Dr. Seyyed Hossein Nasr Professor of Islamic Studies Dr. Sayyid M. Syeed General Secretary of ISNA Dr. Gabriel Haddad Professor of History Dr. William Sperling da'ee and editor Dr. Paul Hardy University of Chicago Atiq Jilani Muslim Activist Dr. Robert Crane Muslim political activist Dr. Sadeq Namazekah Scholar Diverse Traditional Islamic Programs The focus of this conference is toward the topics of importance to the Muslim Ummah. These topics will be presented by world renowned scholars, da'ees, and authors. Lectures and Workshops on many Islamic political, religious and social issues. Parallel Workshops after each Plenary Session to allow attendees to ask questions Office Hours for the speakers to allow attendees to meet with them on a one-to-one basis Study circles halaqat with selected speakers after Fajr and 'Isha prayers. Launch of the 'International Day of the Orphan' Expected Guests: In addition to our honored speakers we expect: Mayor Riordon of Los Angeles Mayor Elihu M. Harris of Oakland Representatives of a number of Christian and Jewish organizations. Tajweed and tarteel Qur'anic recitations by well-known qaris (reciters). Qur'anic recitation competition: Judged by world class Egyptian jury of reciters Categories: Youth: (m, f);. Adults: (m, f); Imams. Prize for top place: Umrah ticket for youth, adult and imam categories. Parade of children through downtown L.A. Streets, carrying lights and banners describing Islam as the Religion of Peace and the Way of Life for all mankind. Light and Sound show. Martial Arts Demonstrations Poetry Recitation: qasidas & oratory in English, Urdu, Bengali & Arabic. Bosnian children presenting traditional poetry and songs about jihad, with supplications to Allah for victory, lead by the Bosnian Imam Senad Agic. Gifts and souvenirs to be given by co-sponsors. Da'wa workshop with expected gathering of several hundred new Muslims from North America & Europe. Very large bazaar for Islamic cultural items, books, clothes, decorations, computerware and food. Muslim countries will provide cultural exhibition booths. ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:54:57 +0800 Subject: Re: The IDEA of nature On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Salikun@vnet.net wrote: >Peace and Love to All! > >Illusions! > Yes, a "perfect" illusions. salam & greetings maarof ------------------------------ From: Steve Phillips Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:46:42 +0000 Subject: Re: The IDEA of nature CWoodsong@aol.com wrote: > YOU are perfectly Beautiful... and that shall never pass! <> By seeing the beauty in others, we become suffused with beauty. By seeing the goodness in others, we ourselves are suffused with goodness. By seeing the love in others, the love within ourselves is made manifest. steve ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:16:34 +0100 Subject: Sing my Friend La illaha There is none II Allah Hu Ecept the One Ishk Allah Mahbud Lillah Love, lover,and Ishk Allah Mahbud Lillah beloved are One Ya Rahman The compassionate Ya Rahim The merciful Happy Independence Day II Alla Hu Only God is Love and Blessings, kaffea lalla Subhan Allah God is pure Alhamdulillah All praise to God Allaho Akbar Peace is Power Wazifa Canon ------------------------------ From: Frank Gaude Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 09:15:48 -0700 Subject: Re: The IDEA of nature Michael J. Moore wrote: > > > Say, you being a student of Gurdjieff, you likely have a short way to describe > > Ray of Creation and its meaning? I have been working on such for awhile now and > > dare not post it as it seems so long, and I don't have permission, yet. You have > > a short version? > > Naw, I think the only short version would have to be a Vulcan > mind meld. Even that would not work as I believe the meaning > to be only acceptable to the emotional center. It should be > grocked by the mental section of the emotional center. Interesting... Sometime back, working on a piece in philosophy, this was penned: 20. Interaction of matter is recursive and activity is discontinuous, non-linear. Only certain results are possible out of infinite possibilities. 21. Numbers (numerals) are for counting and can be absolute; measurements using numbers are approximate. We can pluck exactly ten apples from a tree but cannot pour exactly ten gallons of water into a bucket. 22. Intellectual mind: comparisons, formation of words, affirmation and negation, imagination, reasoning, formation of concepts and ideas. 23. Instinctive mind: all inner work of organism, digestion and assimilation of food, circulation of blood; reflexes as laughter, yawning, physical memory of taste, smell, pain, inner reflexes; physical emotions as taste, smell, pain, pleasure; all sensations of indifference, neither pleasure nor pain; five-senses, touch, sight, hearing, smell, taste; sense of temperature, weight, moisture, etc. These activities are in-born and all are mechanical. 24. Emotional mind: feelings of joy, sorrow, astonishment, fear, etc., the memory feature of complex matter. 25. Moving mind: eating, speaking, writing, walking; all external movements and memory of them, habits (good and bad). These actions are learned features of the organism, not in-born. Michael, I see little reason why Ray of Creation cannot be absorbed by Intellectual mind, and verified by Intuitive mind (High Self, superconsciousness, not listed here as such was considered totally non-physical, so gossamer as not to be really a part of the human body, but fully responsible for that body's existence. The collective is called by some sufis Spirit of Guidance.). Okay, back to wazifa! Peace, tanzen ------------------------------ From: Steve H Rose Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sick yet? :) On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Jacquie Weller wrote: > i am not leaving not while we have been having so much fun, playing on the > net with words that really are just words. Come lets all have some coffee > at the park today, fly a kite, spin some tales, speak of thee, > i would not think of leaving, none of this is anyone's fault. My initiator > told me a sequet. He said Kaffea, this i say, just to you (because i was > always apologizing and saying everything was my fault)...He said only use > that word > FAULT when it comes to earthquakes. Love Kaffea Lalla. Out beyond the ideas of right-doing & wrong-doing, there is a field I'll meet you there. - Rumi - Love, Habib. ------------------------------ From: Frank Gaude Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 10:08:53 -0700 Subject: How Can I Choose Hello, everybody, and joyious 4th of July! A natural sufi sent this to me, written by another natural sufi, and I thought it worth sharing: HOW CAN I CHOOSE to sleep, O God, my God, when the eyes of them that long for Thee are wakeful because of their separation from Thee; and how can I lie down to rest whilst the souls of Thy lovers are sore vexed in their remoteness from Thy presence? I have committed, O my Lord, my spirit and my entire being into the right hand of Thy might and Thy protection, and I lay my head on my pillow through Thy power, and lift it up according to Thy will and Thy good pleasure. Thou art, in truth, the Preserver, the Keeper, the Almighty, the Most Powerful. By Thy might! I ask not, whether sleeping or waking, but that which Thou dost desire. I am Thy servant and in Thy hands. Do Thou graciously aid me to do what will shed forth the fragrance of Thy good pleasure. This, truly, is my hope and the hope of them that enjoy near access to Thee. Prasied be Thou, O Lord of the worlds! -- Baha'u'llah Wow! what beautiful "Thy Will be mine" piece. tanzen ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:10:47 -0400 Subject: Independence Day (from the /Iroquios Book of Life/, by Paul Wallace...) This is the story of the founding at Onondaga (Syracuse, New York), some time about the middle of the fifteenth century, of the United Nations of the Iroquois, the famous Indian Confederacy that provided a model for, and an incentive to, the transformation of the thirteen colonies into the United States of America. "It would be a strange thing," wrote Benjamin Franklin, "if Six Nations of ignorant savages should be capable of forming a scheme for such a union, and be able to execute it in such a manner as that it has subsisted ages and appears indissoluble; and yet that a like union should be impracticable for ten or a dozen English colonies to whom it is more necessary and must be more advantageous, and who cannot be supposed to want an equal understanding of their interests." In Franklin's day the Six Nations, as the Iroquios then called themselves, were the greatest Indian power on the American continent. The original Five Nations -- Mohawks, Oneidas, Cayugas, and Senecas, with whom a sixth, the Tuscaroras, had been joined since about 1710 -- dominated all surrounding tribes, and, from their homeland in northern New York, between the Hudson and Niagra rivers, maintained a pax iroquoia that in their most heroic days had extended from what is now New England to the Illinois region and from the Ottawa River to Chesapeake Bay.... ... In their thought peace was so inseparable from the life of man that they had no separate term by which to denominate it. It was thought of and spoken of in terms of its component elements; as Health and Reason (soundness of body and sanity of mind), Law (justice codified to meet particular cases), and Authority (which gives confidence that justice will prevail). Peace was a way of life, characterized by wisdom and graciousness. The root word which, in various combinations, is used to express "peace" in the Iroquois tongue is the same as that used for "noble" and "Lord" in their translations of the Bible. Peace was to their mind nobility, the Great Good. Even such renderings of the term in English are too abstract to catch their way of looking at it. Peace was the Good expressed in action, that is, the good life. It was also, in their thought, the Ideal Commonwealth. -- not Utopia (No Place), but Kayanerenhkowa (the Great Peace) established so firmly at Onondaga. Their symbol for this peace was a tree, and the tree had roots in the earth. The power of symbols is profound, especially among an active and emotional people; for symbols are a means by which practical persons, shy of metaphysics and impatient of theory, are enabled to apprehend great ideas, take them to heart, and put them to work. The Iroquois fed their minds and guided their actions by means of symbols. When Deganawidah stood before the first council of the United Nations at Onondaga and planted the Tree of the Great Peace, he planted in the hearts of his people a symbol that was to give power and permanence to their union. Like the spires on our churches, the Great White Pine which "pierces the sky" and "reaches the sun" lifted the thoughts of the Iroquois to the meanings of peace -- the Good News which they believed the Great Spirit, the Iroquois god Tarachiawagon (Holder of the Heavens), had sent Deganawidah to impart to them. In general the Tree signified the Law, that is, the constitution, which expressed the terms of their union. But there were other important elements in the symbol. The Branches signified shelter, the protection and security that people found in union under the shadow of the law. The Roots, which stretched to the four quarters of the earth, signified the extention of the Law, the Peace, to embrace all mankind. Other nations, not yet members of the League, would see these roots as they grew outward, and, if they were people of goodwill, would desire to follow them to their source and take shelter with others under the Tree. The Eagle That Sees Afar, which Deganawidah placed on the very summit of the Tree, signified watchfulness. "And the meaning of placing an Eagle on the top of the Tree, said Deganawidah, "is to watch the roots which extend to the North and to the South and to the East and to the West, and the Eagle will discover if any evil is approaching your confederacy, and will scream and give alarm and all the Nations of the Confederacy at once shall hear an alarm and come to the front." "The Eagle," said Deganawidah, "shall have your power." It was a reminder to his people that the best political contrivance that the wit of man can devise is impotent to keep the peace unless a watchful people stands always on guard to defend it. Then Deganawidah uprooted the Tree and under it disclosed a Cavern through which ran a stream of water, passing out of sight into unknown regions under the earth. Into this current he cast the weapons of war, the hatchets and war-clubs, saying, "We here rid the earth of these things of an Evil Mind." Then, replacing the Tree, "Thus," he said, "shall the Great Peace be established, and hostilities shall no longer be known between the Five Nations, but peace to the United People." <>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>> Let us raise our thoughts to the Ideal of that Great Peace! happy 4th! :) peace, peace, peace... love ya all! carol ------------------------------ From: Steve H Rose Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: http://members.aol.com/naqsh/sufi/index.html (fwd) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 14:21:25 -0700 From: "Michael J. Moore" Organization: MCI DSD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4c) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tariqas@europe.std.com Cc: mmoore@antares.Tymnet.COM Subject: http://members.aol.com/naqsh/sufi/index.html References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, It seems that my original message did not get through. Please forgive me if this is a repeat. If you have a spare minute please check out: http://members.aol.com/naqsh/sufi/index.html There is not much to it yet and most likely there never will be. I seriously doubt if it will ever win the TOP 5% award. So far I've go 9 hits and 6 of them are mine. ;-) Inshallah, I will be adding some biographical information on Shaykh Jamil, who in my opinion is an amazing person. He has six children for one thing and with that, the fact that he is at all sane is amazing! But this is perhaps the least of his accomplishments. So, check back in a few weeks and you may read about a real miracle. Salams, - -Michael- ------------------------------ From: Lilyan Kay Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Spirituality and abuse asalaam-u-aleikum Thank you Hamza for your keen observations on the nature of abusers. This being a proper dinner party and all, I will limit my comments and say only that I have experienced this. The following observations are well supported by the bell curve. After they strike, abusers like to bring flowers and kind words and try to minimize the event. They do not own any responsibility for their actions, it is always someone else's fault - the victim, or perhaps someone in the past who abused them. The successful rehabilitation is only likely for those who feel remorse and want to change. They are in the minority. The community members tend to look the other way - "Did you see something happen here? I didn't see anything. I like to maintain my friendships with all involved". Only a very few will take a risk and speak out against it and in support of the victim. These are the lovers of Truth. Like everything else in this life, a microcosm of the larger picture, is it not? Lily ------------------------------ End of tariqas-digest V1 #46 ****************************